Two New Crop Circles In Wiltshire

[dejarma]

So you do agree that the tram lines are for tractors etc to go in & out of the crop:

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

Ever notice how tram lines are in two's??...that is if they NEED to spray for bugs or add fertilizer....the tram lines are for the TRACTOR wheels!!!

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

So back to the main point....how did they enter and exit that field without disturbing the crop along the borders where there are no tram lines????

so how does a tractor enter and exit that field without disturbing the crop along the borders where there are no tram lines???

[DrDil]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

So back to the main point....how did they enter and exit that field without disturbing the crop along the borders where there are no tram lines????

Practice?!

Never underestimate the power of the "will to believe":

Of the myriad shapes found in the fields, some were assimilable into the framework of the plasma vortex theory; others, from the insectoid to the alchemical, implied a more intelligent authorship. As the latter increased in relative frequency, and accounts began to circulate of hoaxers seen here, heard there, my perception of this phenomenon began a dramatic shift. The occasional messiness of circles became due not to the dumb haste of spinning plasma, but to the inexpertise of humans. Nor, now, was the symbolism of the shapes accidental; indeed, it seemed as though the hoaxers were paying a great deal of attention to the predictions of the circles enthusiasts. Similarly, the enthusiasts' gatherings began to seem like convocations of the religious faithful, with the odd eaves-dropping hoaxer thrown in.

As I began to make circles myself, l noted that my own mistakes, or unconscious idiosyncracies, were transformed magically by cerealogists into special accomplishments that no human could possibly duplicate. A standing stalk in a circle of felled wheat, missed by my garden roller as a lawnmower might miss a blade of grass, was seen as a cerealogical miracle. A pictogram, fabricated with the aid of several pints of Guinness and a wood-and-rope stalk stomper, was later alleged, with the most sensitive instruments, to be buzzing with radioactivity.

At times it seemed that we hoaxers, rather than the crop circle phenomenon itself, were invisible to ordinary mortals, who could only see what they were programmed to see. I once lost a stalk-stomping implement, and learned later that it had been discovered by circles enthusiasts who assumed it to be some other researcher's measuring rod. A policeman, asking during a 3 am stop check why I had a garden roller in the rear seat of my car, was placated by the shrugged, nervous answer that it was 'just something I carry around.' Ironically, even rumours of hoaxers weren't always what they seemed; circlemaking friends would report having left a certain field at three, while the relevant farmer, presumably anxious to forestall religious pilgrimages through his crops, would produce a detailed account of having seen people carrying poles and garden rollers from the formation at five.

(Jim Schnabel)

Cheers!!

[Miss Deetective]

Originally Posted by dejarma

So you do agree that the tram lines are for tractors etc to go in & out of the crop:
That is one reason for them, yes.

so how does a tractor enter and exit that field without disturbing the crop along the borders where there are no tram lines???

Because we cannot see the entire field...there could be tram lines on one of the other sides....I doubt it though.
Some crops do not require further attention and tram lines would have then been used for other purposes.....as a guide when planting, for instance.
I only pointed out how in this particular CC the tram lines did not extend to the edge of the field (as most do). So I merely wondered how the people who supposedly made this design got in and out without damaging the border plants and leaving signs of entry and exit routes.
I didn't intend for my observation to turn into a lesson on farming!!!
Please google...tram lines in farming and farming 101!!!!

[Miss Deetective]

Originally Posted by DrDil

Practice?!

Never underestimate the power of the "will to believe":



Cheers!!

Which circles did Mr.Schnabel make??? No doubt that he could be responsible for some of the circles that ARE manmade.
The debate about CC's is about the ones that seem to defy human construction.

[dejarma]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

Because we cannot see the entire field...there could be tram lines on one of the other sides....I doubt it though.

yeah exactly!!! what do you think I've been trying to say to you all along?? geeezuz


plus: if the crop in the photo didn't need attending then there would be no need for tram lines

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Alien Guy

I dont think they could. However has anyone looked at the local news to see if there was an investigation, and what they might have found? They could have found some good evidence in 2 days if it was artificial and not caused by aliens.

Why do you assume they are made by 'aliens'?
And how does one tell an 'alien' one from a hoaxed one?
The alleged anomalies..?

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by DrDil

Practice?!

Never underestimate the power of the "will to believe":



Cheers!!

Quit confusing the believers with logic and facts........it just makes them lose heart.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

...The debate about CC's is about the ones that seem to defy human construction......

And how do they exactly defy human construction and does that say more about the circles or those who want to believe they are not humanly possible?

[Miss Deetective]

Originally Posted by dejarma

yeah exactly!!! what do you think I've been trying to say to you all along?? geeezuz


plus: if the crop in the photo didn't need attending then there would be no need for tram lines

Ya know what sweetie......you just keep believing whatever you want about those pesky tram lines.....I am tired of discussing them!!!

[Miss Deetective]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

And how do they exactly defy human construction and does that say more about the circles or those who want to believe they are not humanly possible?

The large complex ones that show up overnight with no trace of human involvement and certain features...like the ones where the stalks are not simply laid down but are interwoven. And the ones that contain blown nodes...and traces of radioactivity. Or like the one that is so close to Stonehenge and heavily traveled roads that was formed undetected by the guards.
You know...those ones!!!!!
If skeptics are allowed to demand proof that aliens are making some of them, then believers should be allowed to demand proof that humans are making them....so far no proof of that either!!! Anyone can SAY they are making them....let's see them do it....under the EXACT same conditions that they appear.