Grey Aliens & Harvesting of Souls

[Carol Nistri]

Eyewitness reports,video,still shots,landing marks,radar readouts nahh.We havent proved it.(Place yellow head with tongue sticking out here )

[Jurgen]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Eyewitness reports,video,still shots,landing marks,radar readouts nahh.We havent proved it.(Place yellow head with tongue sticking out here )

Yeah ok, but that doesn't "prove" that what was observed came from another planet. It could have popped in from another dimension or it could even be solid manifestations created from our collective subconsciousness. It can also be misidentification and of course there is always the possibility it was a deliberate hoax.

Remember the post here on evo; An A to Z of UFO Theories?
There are 26 theories right for you there...

[Carol Nistri]

oh,it could have come from another dimension,and that would be??? Jurg the idea of their being another dimension is nothing more than an idea,its never been proved there are no videos or snapshots of it its just an idea.Its been around just long enough for you to buy into it as if it were a proven fact,its not,weve got to keep that in mind lest we all just take it for granted as a proven fact,its not.

[Jurgen]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

...as if it were a proven fact,its not,weve got to keep that in mind lest we all just take it for granted as a proven fact,its not.

That goes for visitors from outer space too... that is my whole point. Nothing can be proven with facts...

[RyanB]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

Hi Ryan...welcome a board.
I have a problem with the "soul" snatcher theory. First of all, shouldn't we PROVE that people actually have a soul first???
I have the same problem with the EDH...shouldn't we PROVE that other dimensions actually exist first???

I read some of Kerner's articles on his website. He does a pretty good job of proving the existence of a soul. If I've got him right, in a nutshell he says the universe is governed by the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) which means that all physical states get more chaotic, disordered and broken up/separated with the passage of time. If you trace that back to the very beginning you'd arrive at a state of complete order and union. This is the so-called nothingness before the big bang that scientists don't want to question because they can't measure it and quantify it. He argues that this state of perfect order could be what we term God and that our existence derives from that state.

There is also profound evidence from Near Death Experiences that there is indeed existence beyond physical death. Despite all Susan Blackmore's best efforts to explain NDEs in terms of brain chemistry there is a documented case supported by several medical doctors of a near death experience occurred in someone who was completely brain dead, Pam Reynolds was I think the woman's name.

By the way that interview is up now on podcast if anyone wants to listen:http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheKateValentineUfoShow

[S Changeling]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

First of all, shouldn't we PROVE that people actually have a soul first???

There is proof, but it's not reductionist materialism. It's religious, and not only in the sphere of monotheistic religions. NDE's might point to the existence of the soul, but they have an alternate neurological explanation.

I'm not a dualist, I hold to the Biblical idea that we are a living soul, which explains why resurrection is necessary to Judaism and Christianity, but not to Buddhism or Hinduism, which posit the soul but believes in reincarnation.

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

I have the same problem with the EDH...shouldn't we PROVE that other dimensions actually exist first???

We know that other dimensions exist. We just haven't observed them yet, but we are getting closer. Mathematics have shown that other dimensions exist. If scientists can locate super symmetric particles, it will go a long way towards proving the physicality of other dimensions.

Alternate worlds are a bit harder to prove, but I think Tegmark does a wonderful job of it.

[S Changeling]

Originally Posted by Jurgen

Yeah ok, but that doesn't "prove" that what was observed came from another planet.

Carol, Dee, Steph, Starman et. al. just can't get beyond the ETH. If they believe it's physical, then they believe it has to be aliens because anything else is just too Fortean.

Vallee is way too serious. Keel came close to playing Charles Fort to the ETH'ers playing astronomers.

There are 26 theories, but I like to say EDH because it's the antithesis to the ETH thesis. If they were as open to the EDH as I am, then perhaps we'd all get closer to a synthesis of what's really going on.

[S Changeling]

Originally Posted by blaze

http://www.atlanticcoastufos.com/viewpoints/your_viewpoints.html

The discussion: Grey aliens are sophisticated biological robots who seek to obtain human souls. Through the manipulation of DNA, these aliens hope to create their own souls and escape the material universe. But if we follow spiritual laws, we can free ourselves from their grasp.

It kind of reminds me of "Dark City". I liked that much better than the bad science of the "Matrix" (not that the Simulation argument is improbable, but humans as batteries?). Aliens might be intrigued with the human soul and want to locate it, copy it and thus experience religion as we know it.

But my Christian Ufological view is that some entities are interested in our souls, but only to destroy them, not to clone and acquire them.

[Miss Deetective]

Phooey, there is no way to prove that humans have souls. It is, again, merely heresay.
I love how some people will say that abductees are either lying, hallucinating or dreaming...after all...it is only heresay!!!
But yet in matters of the existence of a soul....or other dimensions....it is not heresay even though there is ZERO proof of either!!!

[RyanB]

Originally Posted by S Changeling

It kind of reminds me of "Dark City". I liked that much better than the bad science of the "Matrix" (not that the Simulation argument is improbable, but humans as batteries?). Aliens might be intrigued with the human soul and want to locate it, copy it and thus experience religion as we know it.

But my Christian Ufological view is that some entities are interested in our souls, but only to destroy them, not to clone and acquire them.

What Kerner seems to be saying is that these entities are aiming to be hijack our souls but as robotic entities they don't realise this is impossible. So all they succeed in doing, as you say, is destroying us.