Grey Aliens & Harvesting of Souls

[S Changeling]

Originally Posted by halo13del

As far as the Euro-caucasoid race theory, I guess Ray Kurzweil is from the right race for eternal life considering he is one of 'God's Chosen People'. Are rich Jews gonna be the only transhumanists?

I can't believe I just said that.

I can believe you just said it. It was only a matter of time. Most of those who really seem to hate Christians also say similar things about Jews. Though I'm not halachically Jewish, I am Jewish. I'm also a Christian. I'm a Fortean too. I don't hold it against you, we all miss the mark. Just realize you said it and work to change your feelings on the subject.

Transhumanism is the Rapture for nerds. For those who cannot believe in the supernatural and in God, they want to create intelligence that surpasses humanity but will succor humanity like the Minds in an Ian M. Banks novel. By the way, I like his SF, despite his atheism and trashing of religion (both imagined alien and Christianity in the one short story set on earth). I find Bank's imagined Culture living on great ships as do gooder travelers to be compelling, despite the hedonism he imagines in some of his novels (or maybe because of it, I've always liked SF consensual heterosexual sex scenes that aren't too strange).

There is nothing in my religious beliefs opposed to subcreating (to use Tolkien's phrase) computer sentience. There is nothing in my beliefs opposed to copying our personalities into virtual realities, though I'm more inclined to Greg Bear's "partials" in "Eon" and "Eternity". What I am opposed to is Kurzweil's idea that copying a human into a virtual existence should be done, even if it's destructive copying (he equates it to the transporter in Star Trek), but I see it as destroying a person to make a copy. It doesn't matter if the copy thinks it's the whole original person, the original person is dead. Thus, destructive copying is both suicide and manslaughter, if done willingly and murder if done unwillingly.

Sawyer's "Calculating God" has an interesting plot twist that involve the same ideas and goals as in Transhumanism, but there it's a dead end choice for some alien species that humanity hasn't yet been capable of making.

[halo13del]

You got it wrong again pal, as usual. I don't hate Christians or Jews. Neither do I hate Wiccans, Muslims, or Scientologists. They are all just misled by their respective silly dogmas.

Why am I even answering this post???

[Carol Nistri]

Kumbaya my friends,Kumbayaaa,Kumb..hey quit it ouch ouch!

[David Andrew]

Grey Aliens & Harvesting of Souls???????

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[RyanB]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

I don't disagree with much of the basic philosphy in the article in the sense that technology could be our undoing if we let it. We have to be vigilant and not let that happen. We need to use technology and science and not let it use us.
As to Kerner's idea that ancient AI greys from somewhere else in the Universe are trying to become like us in some bizarre techno spiritual sense by 'stealing souls' seems to me to be as wild an idea as the idea that greys, etc are demons from old human supernatural belief systems. He has placed it in more of a tech box but it still sounds to me it like an alternate religious explanation for the 'evil' grey abduction phenom.
He does not address the other parts of the ufo enigma concerning other alien types and 'craft' seen. Does he think that is not real or that the 'other aliens' are not to be be bothered with?

He mentioned that Redfern claimed he has been told from within some 'govt' circles that some believe in Kerner's idea of soul stealing aliens.
Do they believe this based on Kerner's ideas or do they know something we don't.?
I would like Redfern to publically say that or has he said so in one of his books?
Again we see very bizarre quasi -religious positions coming forward but with what exactly to back them up?

Here's the amazon link to the Nick Redfern book
http://www.amazon.com/EVENTS-Secret-...4388120&sr=1-1

[Hackle]

I couldn't even begin to believe they are biological robots harvesting souls... Daftness in the highest degree.

[Carol Nistri]

its what happens after awhile Hackle,men, educated men see their best guesses fall by the wayside,they cant have that so they take to thinking along the lines of robots harvesting souls,sigh,Disclosure its time now..

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

,Disclosure its time now..

You make sure you give me a call when that happens......

[bruce duensing]

If we take the strictures of theology out of the equation, not that excluding them infers they have value to some and none to others, and go to a more neutral less divisive corner of this debate that does an end run about who has a more apt language of descriptors...I think personally think it is probable that we are referring to the paranormal by one of it's it's key characteristics, which is memory. I had been compelled to write a short essay on this, when I stopped by to read the usual semantic ruts hoping to find something I had heard countless times before. I wasn't disappointed. Nothing personal. If you take the names away, these are sort of like architectural preferences that are perhaps a uniquely human form of provincialism that are ultimately, all off topic. You say potato, I say potatoe when perhaps we can't tell a potato from a rutabaga. Maybe this proves that ignorance is a form of bliss, so I am blissful and keep digging in my little vegetable patch. If we take our preferences out of the consideration of paranormal phenomenon ( if that is possible) perhaps we are dealing with the attributes of memory, cultural and otherwise. Perhaps it's used as a form of camouflage.
http://materialintangible.blogspot.c...us-memory.html

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by bruce duensing

If we take the strictures of theology out of the equation, not that excluding them infers they have value to some and none to others, and go to a more neutral less divisive corner of this debate that does an end run about who has a more apt language of descriptors...I think personally think it is probable that we are referring to the paranormal by one of it's it's key characteristics, which is memory. I had been compelled to write a short essay on this, when I stopped by to read the usual semantic ruts hoping to find something I had heard countless times before. I wasn't disappointed. Nothing personal. If you take the names away, these are sort of like architectural preferences that are perhaps a uniquely human form of provincialism that are ultimately, all off topic. You say potato, I say potatoe when perhaps we can't tell a potato from a rutabaga. Maybe this proves that ignorance is a form of bliss, so I am blissful and keep digging in my little vegetable patch. If we take our preferences out of the consideration of paranormal phenomenon ( if that is possible) perhaps we are dealing with the attributes of memory, cultural and otherwise. Perhaps it's used as a form of camouflage.
http://materialintangible.blogspot.c...us-memory.html

Insightful as always Bruce......