Operation Rescue

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by hiflier

Hello All,

http://csfa.tamu.edu/mammoth/issues/...vol16_num2.pdf

Click on the link and scroll down to page 9............ENJOY!

I thought if you knew I wasn't pulling rabbits out of a hat that it would pique interest. Especially considering the source.

From the article page 9:
"Our research indicates that the entire Great Lakes region and beyond was subjected to particle bombardment and a catastrophic nuclear irradiation...."

I don't have a problem with this discovery and I think scientists have speculated on these type of past events before, but what concerns me is linking it to aliens allegedly trying to warn us in the distant past. What good would it do at that time? We would not have understood and as 'onlychild' seems to think we have forgotten it. His symbol and astronomy connections are too nebulous imo to show any alien connections but as to the science of a possible solar or other cosmic ray event , it probably has happened and will again. But even so at our level of tech what could we really do about it?

[hiflier]

Hello dr wu23,

That's the crux of the whole thing, WE can't do anything. But somehow Humans managed to survive them. Some not as bad as others granted. Certianly not bad enough for intervention, but one or two (or more) may have been risky enough to end us for good. This is what I'm looking at- the geologic evidence. Especially for high levels of beryllium10 which occurs naturally as a byproduct of cosmic rays interacting with our atmosphere's molecules. High levels in core samples will say a lot even without an ET element. That's why I say that if ET doesn't fit the puzzle then ET has to go home.

[Carol Nistri]

Originally Posted by hiflier

Hello Carol Nistri,



In a word no. My heros are though and I have had extended interests in astronomy, physics, geology, tectonics, vulcanology, oceanography, meteorology, and several other diciplines. I'm over 60 and have had decades to pursue these interests even if not consistently.

For instance I asked the questions like in space: " Do molecular clouds which are made up of PAHs only exist within Galaxies because of the presence of steller winds?", "Is a massive Black Hole the coldest place in the Universe?" and in meteorology: "Is there evidence of modulation WRT El Nino and the Pacific Decadal Ocillation?". It's because I want to know this stuff and for no other reason than putting it all together.

Sorry if I've somehow disappointed you.

Disappointed? Not at all I find your posts both interesting and refreshing.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by hiflier

Hello dr wu23,

That's the crux of the whole thing, WE can't do anything. But somehow Humans managed to survive them. Some not as bad as others granted. Certianly not bad enough for intervention, but one or two (or more) may have been risky enough to end us for good. This is what I'm looking at- the geologic evidence. Especially for high levels of beryllium10 which occurs naturally as a byproduct of cosmic rays interacting with our atmosphere's molecules. High levels in core samples will say a lot even without an ET element. That's why I say that if ET doesn't fit the puzzle then ET has to go home.

Why does ET have 'to go home' whether or not they were involved or part of the puzzle in these past warning events ?

[hiflier]

Hello dr wu23,

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Why does ET have 'to go home' whether or not they were involved or part of the puzzle in these past warning events ?

They don't if they fit the theory. Basically that is part if not most of what is afoot here. But for me the science has to stand in order for that possibility to be considered. So that is my focus.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by hiflier

Hello dr wu23,



They don't if they fit the theory. Basically that is part if not most of what is afoot here. But for me the science has to stand in order for that possibility to be considered. So that is my focus.

I understand that connection but that was not exactly what I meant.
Even if the cosmic wave idea in the past (or future) is valid-and it probably is on some level- and aliens were not involved in any way, it's still possible they could be visiting us now or in the past.
I think the UFO Phenomenon is valid in the sense that some 'manner of intelligence' has been interacting with mankind on some level for a long time. I remain unsure about who or what they are or what it represents but it may have nothing to do with Onlychild's belief in an ancient alien warning via cryptic symbology.

[hiflier]

Hello dr wu23,

Oh, OK I see your point now so yes ET and superwaves may not be linked. But the theory in this thread is going on the basis that they are linked unless the data says otherwise so I have to stay with that.

As for Onlychild's idea some clarification is needed:

There wass no Alien symbol of warning given to us. What it is actually is that, according to the concept, ET shows up when conditions warrant. Any symbol representing that dynamic was something that the Humans created for themselves to represent that fact, it was not created by ET.

Seems like splitting hairs here I know but accuracy WRT data and understanding in the beginning of any process pays off later so things don't get misconstrued. The symbol came from Man, not ET.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by hiflier

Hello dr wu23,

Oh, OK I see your point now so yes ET and superwaves may not be linked. But the theory in this thread is going on the basis that they are linked unless the data says otherwise so I have to stay with that.

As for Onlychild's idea some clarification is needed:

There wass no Alien symbol of warning given to us. What it is actually is that, according to the concept, ET shows up when conditions warrant. Any symbol representing that dynamic was something that the Humans created for themselves to represent that fact, it was not created by ET.

Seems like splitting hairs here I know but accuracy WRT data and understanding in the beginning of any process pays off later so things don't get misconstrued. The symbol came from Man, not ET.

Ok...fair enough, but he seemed to imply in his theory (at least the way I read it) that the aliens did give some warning to ancient man and did this by couching it in symbology we would have understood at that time and that overtime we forgot or lost the original meaning and it has not survived in a way we can understand today. Is that a wrong interpretation of his idea?
IYO what specific data implies that they are linked and how did ancient man receive this knowledge? Did aliens literally talk to ancient man in their various languages and how did they impart this knowledge since ancient man would not really understand the concept of galactic super waves? And does Onlychild believe that aliens are going to save earth or what?

[hiflier]

Hellodr wu23,

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Ok...fair enough, but he seemed to imply in his theory (at least the way I read it) that the aliens did give some warning to ancient man and did this by couching it in symbology we would have understood at that time and that overtime we forgot or lost the original meaning and it has not survived in a way we can understand today. Is that a wrong interpretation of his idea?
IYO what specific data implies that they are linked and how did ancient man receive this knowledge? Did aliens literally talk to ancient man in their various languages and how did they impart this knowledge since ancient man would not really understand the concept of galactic super waves? And does Onlychild believe that aliens are going to save earth or what?

No, it is not implied. OC's delivery is not the best and I worked diligently like you are doing now to get it ironed out. It wasn't easy as, in the telling, Onlychild can and does skip steps so one has to keep at it. But you basically have it right. The symbol though wasn't given by ET. It also wasn't forgotten or lost but the data was. The meaning of it was changed and the changed meaning is what we have now and why we are now in the dark as to why UFOs are in our skies.

As far as I can surmise, The first episode of the superwave idea was not known by Humans ahead of time. UFOs though showed up and made sure Mankind didn't get wiped out. That was the beginning of any knowledge of their existence by anyone back then.

After that, Humans had the story and, in passing the experience down to descendants, created a symbol to represent that episode. Up until now probably no civilization understood the nature of the threat of superwaves, or even super volcanoes like Yellostone's for that matter. They didn't really need that kind of information at all; only that if "gods" appear in the sky that they were there to help. That is what the symbol recieved from their ancestors conveyed.

As far as linking data to ET intervention? It can only be by default of reason. Jumps in architural knowledge, astronomy, gaps in Human presence, disapperances of civilizations on a wide scale etc. that coincide with cometary knowledge, geological histories, and whatever can be tied in from early writings of disaster accounts. By early wrting I mean those that were likely oral in their original form before being written.

It is truly the science that will buoy up this theory; for without science this would be no better than an overblown speculatory wild idea, no better than all the other conjectured senarios floating around and portrayed as fact when there isn't and cannot be one shred of proof brought forth. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that backing up any concept with a factual record keeps things out the hypothetical.

Remember though that this a theory and, even though there are facts, the theory can change. But for now the facts do support this model.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by hiflier

Hellodr wu23,



No, it is not implied. OC's delivery is not the best and I worked diligently like you are doing now to get it ironed out. It wasn't easy as, in the telling, Onlychild can and does skip steps so one has to keep at it. But you basically have it right. The symbol though wasn't given by ET. It also wasn't forgotten or lost but the data was. The meaning of it was changed and the changed meaning is what we have now and why we are now in the dark as to why UFOs are in our skies.

As far as I can surmise, The first episode of the superwave idea was not known by Humans ahead of time. UFOs though showed up and made sure Mankind didn't get wiped out. That was the beginning of any knowledge of their existence by anyone back then.

After that, Humans had the story and, in passing the experience down to descendants, created a symbol to represent that episode. Up until now probably no civilization understood the nature of the threat of superwaves, or even super volcanoes like Yellostone's for that matter. They didn't really need that kind of information at all; only that if "gods" appear in the sky that they were there to help. That is what the symbol recieved from their ancestors conveyed.

As far as linking data to ET intervention? It can only be by default of reason. Jumps in architural knowledge, astronomy, gaps in Human presence, disapperances of civilizations on a wide scale etc. that coincide with cometary knowledge, geological histories, and whatever can be tied in from early writings of disaster accounts. By early wrting I mean those that were likely oral in their original form before being written.

It is truly the science that will buoy up this theory; for without science this would be no better than an overblown speculatory wild idea, no better than all the other conjectured senarios floating around and portrayed as fact when there isn't and cannot be one shred of proof brought forth. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that backing up any concept with a factual record keeps things out the hypothetical.

Remember though that this a theory and, even though there are facts, the theory can change. But for now the facts do support this model.

What 'facts' specifically support this model? I never saw any in his theory just speculations.