About Vallee..

[frontalobe]

This video was released at about the same time "Messengers of deception" was published.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LirqFs_R5js

Many of you have probably seen it. I'd love to have some feedbacks on it.

[Khtiraa]

[Carol Nistri]

wow is that blurry or what?

[7th Stranger]

Wow!

[mercuryrapids]

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1532.htm

[Khtiraa]

Excellent post Merc! The site in Rajasthan, India was excavated after WWII when a construction project revealed extremely high radiation in the area. Scientists uncovered what had been an ancient city in which they found several inches of radioactive ash, cooked bodies and tiny glass beads that was once silicate sand. All signatory of an atomic or nuclear explosive device. This city is about 10,000 to 12,000 years old. Sanskrit records from that period also mention the details of wars, flying machines and whole armies and populations wiped out from the use of a "final-weapon". The records also mention beings from the heavens and so forth, who may have brought such a technology. It's amazing to see this sort of talk in an official copy of an Air Force manual. I am saving this one for future reference. I wonder how many people followed your link.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Khtiraa

I am principally bound to the existence of multiple extraterrestrial groups, with the inclusion of inter-terrestrial, trans-dimensional groups or group. This is what the data I have seen supports. Where I have trouble relating to the concepts of others, is when I see patterns that promote a one-size-fits-all solution. I think what happens is that investigators become confused with contact experiences that indicate interaction with Ets and others which are more likely the product of physiological imbalance, EM anomaly or strictly psychic induction experiences from an unknown source. Although Vallee does a great job of supporting his ideas with examples of high-strangeness accounts, I wouldn't necessarily excuse the alien and the pancake enigma as a holographic projection. As a scientist, that would really be going out on the limb. But then, he has succeeded in profiting from no less than five books that are still in print.
BTW, your claim that people misinterpret his ideas is likely a revolving door you've been through more then once. I would like to see your interpretation of his work.

And I agree with most of what you said and will repeat that Dr Vallee does not think all ufo cases are EDH.
He has made far far more money from his investments in the computer industry over the last 4 decades. And most in this 'field' have put out books.
I think you have misinterpreted some of his ideas or misrepresented them (not intentionally) and we have already gone through that. His work speaks for itself and others should read it to get their own take on it.
At any rate my posts on this the last 2 weeks clearly state my interpretation.

[Khtiraa]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

And I agree with most of what you said and will repeat that Dr Vallee does not think all ufo cases are EDH.
He has made far far more money from his investments in the computer industry over the last 4 decades. And most in this 'field' have put out books.
I think you have misinterpreted some of his ideas or misrepresented them (not intentionally) and we have already gone through that. His work speaks for itself and others should read it to get their own take on it.
At any rate my posts on this the last 2 weeks clearly state my interpretation.

I consider myself fairly open minded and willing to include any theorem researched via some semblance of scientific methodology. Even if it involves the very limited information obtained in hypnotherapy by the late Dr Mack.
If I objected to something that you said, it was based on my perception that you were being hard core in an effort to present one side of the argument, which I happen to see as a plausible one. I think that you are much more committed to the paranormal than I am in this respect. I prefer to give as much time and energy to the ET paradigm as the ID (inter-dimensional) or ED, as you call it. I would even postulate that when human subjects are abducted by the Grays, they are being carried to the other side, where access or manipulation of physical laws may be understood from a different point of reference.

[Carol Nistri]

wait before we all give into the EDH lets think about this for a minute.To the average person that sees a ufo EDH never enters his or her mind.Its after reading a Vallee or Harpur or Keel thats only three men btw. Why should just three men dictact that this is not ET? I dont get it I really dont.If it wasnt for Carl Sagan saying "Extraordinary claims require extraordinairy proof" would we have been nudged in that direction,I say no,we wouldnt. Ive just got to warn you,once you start to think along the crazy lines of the EDH theres no going back to ET.I dont know why that is but its so.

[Khtiraa]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

wait before we all give into the EDH lets think about this for a minute.To the average person that sees a ufo EDH never enters his or her mind.Its after reading a Vallee or Harpur or Keel thats only three men btw. Why should just three men dictact that this is not ET? I dont get it I really dont.If it wasnt for Carl Sagan saying "Extraordinary claims require extraordinairy proof" would we have been nudged in that direction,I say no,we wouldnt.

I don't think we aren't giving into anything. It stands to reason that if there is more than one group of non-humans visiting the system, interacting with humans, some of them are ETs (from other systems) and others may be EDs (from here or other systems). I have read into some experiences that perhaps there are physical, human-like beings from other dimensions. They could be extraterrestrials (within our own solar system or from afar) who also cross over from another reality.