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[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

Good idea....we need a thread devoted to religion as it applies to our development.

Go for it.......I think we both know where we stand.

[Miss Deetective]

I suppose I should start it in the Off Topic forum?? You and I pretty much agree with each other on politics and religion.
I would be very interested in what some of the others believe.

[roadghost]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Yes,,,many 'things' have caused problems but can you be a bit more specific?
IMHO we would have developed 'morals' and 'ethics' without religion. It's a human need for civilization and societies to develop. Indeed many religions have poor morals and ethics especially in the past. Religions routinely murdered in the name of God...and still do.
Start a thread somewhere on why you defend organized religion and lets see where it goes.

Wu I'd be happy to start a thread and hope we can all chase Marty up about getting a religion/spirituality forum started, but please don't misrepresent what I say by implying I'm defending organised religion. I'm doing nothing of the sort. I believe I'm looking at it in context is all. We live in a world where you can be killed for what football team you support, or what gang colours you wear. Do you really think without religion it would be any better. Religion didn't taint humanity, it's more likely the other way round. I'm no religious champion but I've got no irrational dislike of it either.

[Jurgen]

Originally Posted by Roadghost

Religion didn't taint humanity, it's more likely the other way round.

That implies that there was religion before people... like the book wasn't writen by people... hmmm.

[roadghost]

Originally Posted by Jurgen

That implies that there was religion before people... like the book wasn't writen by people... hmmm.

No their wasn't, religion is, after all a man made construct. But there may well have been a spiritual dimension to things that was interpreted, often wrongly by people. As the saying goes, 'God created man in his own image, then man returned the favour.'

[Miss Deetective]

We now have a thread started in the Off Topic forum to discuss religion and spirituality.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by roadghost

Wu I'd be happy to start a thread and hope we can all chase Marty up about getting a religion/spirituality forum started, but please don't misrepresent what I say by implying I'm defending organised religion. I'm doing nothing of the sort. I believe I'm looking at it in context is all. We live in a world where you can be killed for what football team you support, or what gang colours you wear. Do you really think without religion it would be any better. Religion didn't taint humanity, it's more likely the other way round. I'm no religious champion but I've got no irrational dislike of it either.

I hear ya.....for me the problem is when religion tries to interfere in politics or social systems. I have no problem with people believing and practicing their faith privately as along as they do not try to force it upon others but as we have seen both Christians and Moslems (and others) can get violent and politically evangelical.
This is a direct result in some cases of organized/institutional religion which attempts to gain power via political and social influence.

[roadghost]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

I hear ya.....for me the problem is when religion tries to interfere in politics or social systems. I have no problem with people believing and practicing their faith privately as along as they do not try to force it upon others but as we have seen both Christians and Moslems (and others) can get violent and politically evangelical.
This is a direct result in some cases of organized/institutional religion which attempts to gain power via political and social influence.

Well put indeed, and for me one of the major pitfalls that religion, especially, but not exclusively, the Abrahamic are prone to. It seems religious practice, politics and power are nearly always inextricably linked. A shame as personal belief can bring such a sense of comfort, strength, and purpose but collectivelly it morphs into something else altogether.