About Vallee..

[Carol Nistri]

Dr.Wu this isnt necessairly directed at you or your obsession with Vallee but Ive been thinking on this guy and two and two is not adding up.This is a guy who SAW a ufo when he was a young impressionable boy.Not only did he see it but his friend saw it too.When he got older he investigated the hottest of hot spots in Brazil I do believe.He went from those two things that should have convinced him past all doubt to going for a theory that just doesnt set will with the ufo community.Why,how did he make that leap? Did someone get to him? Was he told to write the books he did leading the reader away from ET and into a muddled dusky half baked theory that goes absolutely nowhere? Im tempted to read his books again but theres no middle there,theres a beginning and an end and no middle,theres something missing about Vallee Dr.Wu and Im thinking that youve sensed it too.

Could it have been NASA? Maybe they wanted him on their team but not with a reputation of believing in UFOs and such.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc608.htm


'But by 1969, when he published Passport to Magonia (Regnery), Vallee's assessment of the UFO phenomenon had undergone a significant shift. Much to the consternation of the "scientific ufologists" who had seen him as one of their champions, Vallee now seemed to be backing away from the extraterrestrial hypotheses and advancing the radical view that UFOs are paranormal in nature and a modern space age manifestation of a phenomenon which assumes different guises in different historical contexts.'

My question Dr.Wu is what caused this shift,what happend to Vallee that he took such a sharp turn away from ET.
If he hadn't seen one for himself,if he hadn't investigated all those ufo reports coming out of Brazil but he did see one and he did talk to people that had seen them.Then in 1969 he made this odd shift.Why?

[Carol Nistri]

Ok I can see Im talking to myself here,so blah blah blah and blah...humph bustles off to make dinner..

[dr wu23]

IMO some people have a hard time with concepts that are outside the box-outside of mainstream thinking....and I don't mean that as an insult to anyone. It's the way they are hardwired, their education, how they were raised, etc. This includes scientists as well as lay people.
Some who are more intellectually inclined or are drawn to esoteric areas due to any number of reasons are more likely to look at alternative ideology in many different areas. I believe Dr Vallee is one of those who looks outside the box. He was on the cutting edge of early computer research regarding data entry and was one of the many involved in setting up the internet via his work with various govt. agencies who were networked in the early days. He also did computer work for DARPA. He is what I call a 'deep thinker' or a 'think tank' candidate.

Having said all of that, I think after years of looking at ufos from the ETH the data and info he amassed just didn't add up very well when it came to many cases especially the 'high strangeness' events. I believe he tried to reconcile these with the ETH but in his mind it was a failure so he began to look at alternative ideas which may have been born in some of his conversations with some of these esoteric agencies and groups/people he met over the years. I suspect that many very intelligent people involved behind the scenes with ufo research have also decided to look at alternative ideas.
He has said that some ufos might be ETH but that it does not explain the whole mysterious enigma and the other paranormal aspects. This is not hard to understand and I agree w ith him.

btw, an intersting link to who really created the internet...and Dr Vallee was involved .This is why some in the ufo community have not trusted Dr Vallee because of his connections to these groups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense...rojects_Agency

[dr wu23]

off topic but interesting.... how the internet came to be....
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From the links on ARPANET:
"In March, 1970, the ARPANET reached the East Coast of the United States, when a BBN company IMP was connected to the network. Thereafter, the ARPANET grew: 9 IMPs by June 1970 and 13 IMPs by December 1970, then 18 by September 1971 (when the network included 23 university and government hosts); 29 IMPs by August 1972, and 40 by September, 1973. By June 1974, there were 46 IMPs, and in July 1975, the network numbered 57 IMPs. By 1981, the number was 213 host computers, with another host connecting approximately every twenty days.
In 1968, two satellite links, traversing the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, to Hawaii and Norway, one, the Norwegian Seismic Array (NORSAR), were connected to the ARPANET. Moreover, from Norway, a terrestrial circuit added a London IMP to the network in 1973.
Given that its primary function was funding research and development, the ARPA, in 1975, transferred ARPANET control to the Defense Communications Agency, a component of the US Defense Department. In 1983, the US military sub-networks of the ARPANET became the discrete Military Network (MILNET) for unclassified defense department communications; separating the civil and military networks reduced the 113-node ARPANET by 68 nodes.
Support for inter-IMP circuits of up to 230.4 kbit/s was added in 1970, although considerations of cost and IMP processing power meant this capability was not actively used.
1971 saw the start of the use of the non-ruggedized (and therefore significantly lighter) Honeywell 316 as an IMP. It could also be configured as a Terminal IMP (TIP), which added support for up to 63 ASCII serial terminals through a multi-line controller in place of one of the hosts. The 316 featured a greater degree of integration than the 516, which made it less expensive and easier to maintain. The 316 was configured with 40 kB of core memory for a TIP. The size of core memory was later increased, to 32 kB for the IMPs, and 56 kB for TIPs, in 1973.
In 1975, BBN introduced IMP software running on the Pluribus multi-processor. These appeared in a small number of sites. In 1981, BBN introduced IMP software running on its own C/30 processor product.
The original IMPs and TIPs were phased out as the ARPANET was shut down after the introduction of the NSFNet, but some IMPs remained in service as late as 1989.
Senator Albert Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill") after hearing the 1988 report toward a National Research Network submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet). The bill was passed on December 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII) which Gore referred to as the "information superhighway." "

[Miss Deetective]

Dr Wu
".....his work with various govt. agencies ...."
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Or maybe they put the fear of god in him too.....like so many others claim happens when you get too close to the truth.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

Dr Wu
".....his work with various govt. agencies ...."
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Or maybe they put the fear of god in him too.....like so many others claim happens when you get too close to the truth.

Yes...that must be it..... how silly of me.

[Miss Deetective]

Anything is possible yanno!!

[Carol Nistri]

I agree Dee,Ive been reading all about Vallee and trying to find just how this man above all others made that leap.It could be as Dr.Wu said that hes just a deep thinker that managed to put the entire ufo community in a tither on what he says is an alternate theory.But just look at what that alternate theory does.It snatches the entire phenomenon out of the hands of ET and places it in a catagory where people just arent that interested.Isnt that odd,isnt that also clever.

It says in that article that Vallee wanted to work for NASA,thats all well and good but looking at it from NASAs point of view it may not have been where they wanted to go.A man who not only was convinced that this was ET but a man who also claimed to have seen a UFO himself when he was a boy.Working for NASA and believing in UFOs,hmm,somehow this may have been a big problem for the company.So what does NASA ask Vallee to do? Go back and write a book with a theory that will forever snatch the ufo phenomenon out of the publics hands and into a realm for which we are not equipped to understand.The material was all there,being an expert on the internet and with his education how hard was it to unwrap something like the UFO enigma and place it in a catagory thats almost impossible to refute.(No Dr.Wu Im not being thick,I know what your saying but Im challeging Vallee,lol,me challenge Vallee,only on the internet)

http://magonia.haaan.com/2009/messengers/

[GunnerGraham]

Don't want to sound nationalistic here,but wasn't it the British who were the 'inventors' of the internet?
I mean 'we' invented the computer,we might as well go the whole hog!!

[Carol Nistri]

I wonder if Vallee wrote those books putting the ufo enigma into a catagory for those in the world that are actually frigtend by Ufos and their implications.I wonder. Seems to me that we in the ufo community are a far cry from those that find the entire subject disturbing and frightening,wouldnt it make perfect sense to have someone like Vallee write books that place the entire subject into another catagory thereby relieving those that find the subject terrifying.That way the government doesnt have to address one thing,not a single thing.Vallee gets to work for NASA the goverment finds a scapegoat and the world takes another spin. I wonder what actually happend to Mac Toonies?