The Birth Of Christ Caused

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by judasisthepriest

dr wu, I have no issues with religion whatsoever - I just know that they are all fraudulent!
religion is another form of indoctrination.

also religion suffocates the soul.

man made g_d, and man runs religion which has nothing to do with the divine source (or whatever term you care to use).

religion and politics are both poisonous.

should have a health warning, both of them!

As Osho said, "Priests and politicians are the Mafia of the Soul."

Whatever trips your trigger but it looks to me like you do have issues from the way you comment.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Takumaru

Yes, but unlike other so-called prophets, this one actually backs up his "faith" in absolute-pacifism by intentionally refusing to fund the terrorist-organisation of government through any kind of force-backed tax-payments (fines, fees, levies, stamp-duties, tariffs, etc.). Irony is when you claim others are self-styled prophets to be ignored when you yet pay taxes into funding and voting for those self-appointed politicians who insist that you must listen to everything they say or else their god (i.e.: government) will hand your *** to you.

Most people or other so-called self-styled "prophets" would "easily give up" and not be nearly as " meticulous" as this man in reporting the "sad state of affairs" the human-race is in when they so ignorantly allow their "systems" to jail a man for five years simply because he initially refused to pay a 15$AU Certificate of Driving Competence Renewal-Fee (like as if you suddenly forget how to drive safely simply because you did not pay money to an extortionist institution).

When I say "easily give up" I mean that he could just pay a 15$AU fee and simply make life easier on himself, but he knows that through payment of that fee, only more of these "karmic debts" would be incurred, and as an absolute-pacifist, not funding those criminals (yes, CRIMINALS) who run the government results in FAR "less" of a "consequence" to be "feared" than the consequences of contravening God's Word that requires us to be Absolute-Pacifists or face the consequences of being required to suffer all of the collateral-damage that results from the payment of a fee which funds such a terrorist-institution.

Heh...I pay my taxes because I don't want to end up in jail....has nothing to do with prophets or religion. Sounds to me like he's a fanatic and religious ones, of any stripe, are the worst kind.

[judasisthepriest]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Whatever trips your trigger but it looks to me like you do have issues from the way you comment.

hey dude, issues! sounds like you parade the therapist circuit frequently! You have a "therapist speak" way about you dr wu!

only issues I have are to do with injustice, not religion! Religion is a poisonous trap, now those folk who adhere to a particular religion do have issues

My religion, is the religion of laughter, and the prophet of my religion is Bill Hicks!

All Hail Bill.........

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by judasisthepriest

hey dude, issues! sounds like you parade the therapist circuit frequently! You have a "therapist speak" way about you dr wu!

only issues I have are to do with injustice, not religion! Religion is a poisonous trap, now those folk who adhere to a particular religion do have issues

My religion, is the religion of laughter, and the prophet of my religion is Bill Hicks!

All Hail Bill.........

Therapist circuit...? Moi..? Are you kidding..?
Religion and spirituality is not injustice. That's what happened when it became institutionalized. No question that control freaks have usurped these original experiences to form organized faiths that have indeed attempted to control the masses with fear of reprisal but humans have had transcendent experiences (epiphanies...cosmic consciousness..) that were meaningful to them since the dawn of time. Look at the cave drawings and then all the other art and writings by humans.
There is a very interesting book writen a long time ago by Bucke that addresses this from a personal cosmic consciousness point of view...worth reading imo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Maurice_Bucke
You are throwing out the baby with the bath water. So don't condemn people for believing in such things but criticize the heirarchy who used these revelations for their own base purposes.
btw...I'm agnostic but I keep an open mind about the possibility that there is a 'ghost in the machine' as Koestler once said.

[judasisthepriest]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Therapist circuit...? Moi..? Are you kidding..?
Religion and spirituality is not injustice. That's what happened when it became institutionalized. No question that control freaks have usurped these original experiences to form organized faiths that have indeed attempted to control the masses with fear of reprisal but humans have had transcendent experiences (epiphanies...cosmic consciousness..) that were meaningful to them since the dawn of time. Look at the cave drawings and then all the other art and writings by humans.
There is a very interesting book writen a long time ago by Bucke that addresses this from a personal cosmic consciousness point of view...worth reading imo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Maurice_Bucke
You are throwing out the baby with the bath water. So don't condemn people for believing in such things but criticize the heirarchy who used these revelations for their own base purposes.
btw...I'm agnostic but I keep an open mind about the possibility that there is a 'ghost in the machine' as Koestler once said.

dr wu - we meet again!!!

When I mentioned injustice I was not on about religious injustice - although we could go there!
True religious experience I have no problem with! I myself have enjoyed some deep mystical experiences. Meditation is a possible route to such encounters, and of course their are substances which can also take you to faraway places in consciousness. Ayahuasca is one such substance, as is Magic Mushrooms, I've listened to some excellent interviews relating to these experiences. Graham Hancock's is my favorite! This talk is over 2 hrs long but very enjoyable, Graham talks about his Ayahuasca experiences and much more!

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Russ

I do know that ancient Roman scribes kept meticulous records. They do have in their writings The crucification of a man from Nazareth named Jesus, who was put to death at the request of his own people. That's the only reference in written history other than the Bible of his existence.

Actually Josephus wrote two historical accounts concerning Jesus. The first was of him as prophet later being cruxified. The second was of his brother James being killed for preaching christianity.

Here is the account about James that mentions his brother Jesus (and the second about Jesus directly):

(from wikipedia)" And now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king, desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrin without his consent. Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.[14]"


"3.3 Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.[27]"

Of course, many skeptics have attempted to discredit these accounts, just as they have the gospels of the bible.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Therapist circuit...? Moi..? Are you kidding..?
Religion and spirituality is not injustice. That's what happened when it became institutionalized. No question that control freaks have usurped these original experiences to form organized faiths that have indeed attempted to control the masses with fear of reprisal but humans have had transcendent experiences (epiphanies...cosmic consciousness..) that were meaningful to them since the dawn of time. Look at the cave drawings and then all the other art and writings by humans.
There is a very interesting book writen a long time ago by Bucke that addresses this from a personal cosmic consciousness point of view...worth reading imo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Maurice_Bucke
You are throwing out the baby with the bath water. So don't condemn people for believing in such things but criticize the heirarchy who used these revelations for their own base purposes.
btw...I'm agnostic but I keep an open mind about the possibility that there is a 'ghost in the machine' as Koestler once said.

OMG! I actually agree with you here.

[Takumaru]

You basically "fear" the people in that "religion" known as "the government" because they apparently get so "fanatical" about you "not paying taxes" (i.e.: tithing their institution) that they'll go so far as to "fanatically" hunt you down and "jail" you ? Way to "ironically" show who's (financially) supporting the fanatics...

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Heh...I pay my taxes because I don't want to end up in jail....has nothing to do with prophets or religion. Sounds to me like he's a fanatic and religious ones, of any stripe, are the worst kind.

[dejarma]

Originally Posted by Takumaru

You basically "fear" the people in that "religion" known as "the government" because they apparently get so "fanatical" about you "not paying taxes" (i.e.: tithing their institution) that they'll go so far as to "fanatically" hunt you down and "jail" you ? Way to "ironically" show who's (financially) supporting the fanatics...

Takumaru...If somehow it was possible to kick out all the politicians of the world, who would you replace them with?

[judasisthepriest]

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html

The Lost City

(Nazareth) - 'Never heard of the place'


– Josephus

In his histories, Josephus has a lot to say about Galilee (an area of barely 900 square miles). During the first Jewish war, in the 60s AD, Josephus led a military campaign back and forth across the tiny province. Josephus mentions 45 cities and villages of Galilee – yet Nazareth not at all.
Josephus does, however, have something to say about Japha (Yafa, Japhia), a village just one mile to the southwest of Nazareth where he himself lived for a time (Life 52).
A glance at a topographical map of the region shows that Nazareth is located at one end of a valley, bounded on three sides by hills. Natural access to this valley is from the southwest.
Before the first Jewish war, Japha was of a reasonable size. We know it had an early synagogue, destroyed by the Romans in 67 AD (Revue Biblique 1921, 434f). In that war, it's inhabitants were massacred (Wars 3, 7.31). Josephus reports that 15,000 were killed by Trajan's troops. The survivors – 2,130 woman and children – were carried away into captivity. A one-time active city was completely and decisively wiped out.
Now where on earth did the 1st century inhabitants of Japha bury their dead? In the tombs further up the valley!
With Japha's complete destruction, tomb use at the Nazareth site would have ended. The unnamed necropolis today lies under the modern city of Nazareth.

At a later time – as pottery and other finds indicate(see below) – the Nazareth site was re-occupied. This was after the Bar Kochba revolt of 135 AD and the general Jewish exodus from Judea to Galilee. The new hamlet was based on subsistence farming and was quite unrelated to the previous tomb usage by the people of Japha.

and more

The gospels do not tell us much about this 'city' – it has a synagogue, it can scare up a hostile crowd (prompting JC's famous "prophet rejected in his own land" quote), and it has a precipice – but the city status of Nazareth is clearly established, at least according to that source of nonsense called the Bible. However when we look for historical confirmation of this hometown of a god – surprise, surprise! – no other source confirms that the place even existed in the 1st century AD.

• Nazareth is not mentioned even once in the entire Old Testament. The Book of Joshua (19.10,16) – in what it claims is the process of settlement by the tribe of Zebulon in the area – records twelve towns and six villages and yet omits any 'Nazareth' from its list.
• The Talmud, although it names 63 Galilean towns, knows nothing of Nazareth, nor does early rabbinic literature.
• St Paul knows nothing of 'Nazareth'. Rabbi Solly's epistles (real and fake) mention Jesus 221 times, Nazareth not at all.
• No ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the 4th century.