The Dangers of Ufology?

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by Antrikshaadmi

Methinks the only reason Bob Lazar hasn't been whacked is because he's a disinformation agent.

He claimed he was shot at.

And he does strike me as a disinformation agent, his credentials are questionable.

So maybe he wasn't privy to anything after all. From what I remember he didn't claim to have seen or to know all that much.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by starman2003

He claimed he was shot at.
So maybe he wasn't privy to anything after all. From what I remember he didn't claim to have seen or to know all that much.

And 'Billy' Meier claimed he has had 17 assassination attempts on him.

[FROGLIPZ]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

You responded to a post above by S Changeling...that is daniel.
Sadly he does not post here anymore.

ohhk
I watched phil schneider on you tube he is very convincing isnt he, i hope what he says is true, i believe it for now anyway.
I have always believed that the government have been working with these 'beings' for a very long time imo thats why they havn't disclosed et's because they don't to break those ties just yet, not that they would have to, it would just make it alot harder to control.
Hope that makes sense to you.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by FROGLIPZ

ohhk
I watched phil schneider on you tube he is very convincing isnt he, i hope what he says is true, i believe it for now anyway.
I have always believed that the government have been working with these 'beings' for a very long time imo thats why they havn't disclosed et's because they don't to break those ties just yet, not that they would have to, it would just make it alot harder to control.
Hope that makes sense to you.

Not that convincing to me but then I look at all of this stuff from a skeptical angle.
I think he was either hoaxing or embellishing things ,perhaps both.
There is no 'Dulce' base as far as anyone can tell and many have looked for it in that area. This whole thing goes in the 'gray box' for me.

for those interested
http://www.ufodigest.com/mystery.html

[Skeptical]

Regarding the "dangers" of UFOlogy, I think the vast majority of these are purely in the eye of the beholder. Now I do think there was some danger back in the day of running afoul of Phil Klass. His mean-spirited campaign against James MacDonald was almost certainly a contributing factor in MacDonald's suicide.

As for claims of being pursued by MIBs and such, it is more likely that some UFOlogists are being stalked by the phenomenon's fringe human element. As we ourselves have seen, some "unusual" personalities are attracted to UFOs. Such people may stalk a UFOlogist in much the same way TV and movie stars are pursued by delusional fans.

The biggest danger of showing any serious interest in UFOlogy is that your friends and family will consider you to be a little goofy. For example, several years ago, I asked a Canadian friend to record one of Paul Kimball's documentaries off of Canadian TV. The guy has chided me about it ever since. Oh well, I still kid him about hockey pucks and Moosehead beer too.

S

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Skeptical

Regarding the "dangers" of UFOlogy, I think the vast majority of these are purely in the eye of the beholder. Now I do think there was some danger back in the day of running afoul of Phil Klass. His mean-spirited campaign against James MacDonald was almost certainly a contributing factor in MacDonald's suicide.

As for claims of being pursued by MIBs and such, it is more likely that some UFOlogists are being stalked by the phenomenon's fringe human element. As we ourselves have seen, some "unusual" personalities are attracted to UFOs. Such people may stalk a UFOlogist in much the same way TV and movie stars are pursued by delusional fans.

The biggest danger of showing any serious interest in UFOlogy is that your friends and family will consider you to be a little goofy. For example, several years ago, I asked a Canadian friend to record one of Paul Kimball's documentaries off of Canadian TV. The guy has chided me about it ever since. Oh well, I still kid him about hockey pucks and Moosehead beer too.

S

I think you are right Skep in that the dangers lie more with the mental attitudes and how people get caught up in things. John Keel talked about this in several of his books but he was never really hurt by anything though he claimed the 'malevolent' aspects of the phenomena involved did hurt a few others but he was never specific about this and only referred to the bridge collapse in Silver Springs (The Mothman prophecies) which he claimed was 'foretold' by these entities.
Those that have been hurt or damaged seem to have brought this on themselves by falling down the rabbit hole of belief in marginal areas.

I know I have mentioned this book many times but The Trickster by Hansen is an excellent look into this whole area.

[Skeptical]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

...John Keel talked about this in several of his books but...those that have been hurt or damaged seem to have brought this on themselves by falling down the rabbit hole of belief in marginal areas...

Keel used to elude to the idea of the phenomenon zeroing in on you - the more interest you exhibited, the more likely that the phenomenon's stranger facets would start to impact your life. But, as you say, it's more likely that impressionable personalities start seeing aliens in every corner - a mild or perhaps not-so-mild form of paranoia.

Still, I wouldn't be paranoid if everyone weren't out to get me.

S

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

And 'Billy' Meier claimed he has had 17 assassination attempts on him.

Strange, AFAIK he never claimed to have been at a secret government facility, nor to have an alien craft. Maybe some holy joes wanted him dead because of his views on "god."

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by FROGLIPZ

ohhk
I watched phil schneider on you tube he is very convincing isnt he, i hope what he says is true...

You hope a reported, deadly confrontation is true?

I have always believed that the government have been working with these 'beings' for a very long time

I doubt they've really been in touch, despite one or more valid crash retrievals, in part because testimony concerning "contact" is among the crummiest.

imo thats why they havn't disclosed et's because they don't to break those ties just yet,

If old phil was right, the "ties" were already badly messed up in '79.

[Kestral8]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Excellent post and we should all listen to those words of wisdom.

And I feel the need to quote RAWilson again:

"If you think you know what's going on, you are probably full of shite."

amazing! Id like to add ...the whole notion that UFO's are government run and conditioning for a 'fake invasion' at the 2012 summer olympics.. when you turn something into nothing, or turn something of the unknown into a topic of terror, that's dangerous. imo