hi thought i would share these with people who would be interested.
original non zoomed in telephoto
zoomed in using optical on telephoto
computer zoom in of the RAW file and adjusted so more detail could be seen using the contrast / exposure .etc
all taken on nikon DSLR with telephoto lens enjoy.
they were taken without a tripod, and i have several others but these turned out the best.
and please if you are the ponse on the site that assumes keeping a telephoto on full zoom stable without a tripod, may i suggest you try the same before you go full on nerd rant!
lights stayed stationary for over five mins then vanished.