Iv'e seen some activity but nothing new yet. What have you been

watching? Surfing the net is not easy when you'r excited

Holy Manure Rok ! I've been waiting for this. By the way how ya bin?

What's cooking Rock ?

GINO69

I swear i came to the same conclusions without haveing read

your extensive essay. How do you allocate so much information

in so little time? It's quite amazing ! This website is fun .

I dont get a chance to talk in English about unusual

subjects where I live . The people in San Juan are pleasant

but not very imaginative. Anything out of the ordinary just

gets a blank stare. I ve also seen you've got a reputation

higher than my own but I assume your IQ is higher ,

its very obvious .

GINO69

Perhaps we can help this cause ? I see things have been

going seriously wrong for the United States since Sept 11 2001

and it is either the result of gross stupidity or it was intended by

some cadre of international manipulaters who know what

they are doing. The people who benefit the most from

international warfare are : The Banks, The Munition

Manufacturers and the Oil Producers. They have always

been the warmongers throughout thetwentyieth century.

I am comfident that they are responsible

for the stupidity of the Bush administration and I believe

they will be responsible for the entire collapse of the US

monetary system that is approaching our economy. These

people are aloof they do not belong to any particular nationality

they have no allegience to any race on earth, they are cynical

to the extreme and they are motivated by the bases desires

their only destinction is they are loyal to each other and they

know how to cooperate and they have no more scruples than

the Mafiosi of Sicily or the Tongs of China. They are a race of

dogs in three piece suits and they know this there one frailty

is that they are human and that means they make mistakes.

That is their only saving grace,

I wish these tapes had more to reveal. This Steven Greer is too

congenial when he should be making accusations more than he

has done . But he's not alone there others. Unfortunatly many

of these others are crazy people that can not be taken seriously

These Warmongers just love crazy people, it gives them the

privilege to call every adversary as being crazy.

That's the gambit, as far as I see it.Thanks!

GINO69

Thanks! I like it It confirms a lot of information Ive

recieved from other sources

GINO69

Read your post. I'm in agreement. So long Good Buddy !

You know that this little discussion of ours should be transfered

to to the New Post section. We're doing a good job as Posters

and the folks should be made aware of this fact; perhaps

to stop bickering amongst themselves! They appear to think

a debate is akin to a petty quarrel rather than a rational

discourse . Maybe we can change that by presenting our

little dialectic discussion .I'll let you find how to introduce this

into a New Post Im feeling sick right now, ask Carrol Nistri

she knows how to everything on this site. Peace be with you!

GINO69

Yes the Nazi's were very clever when it came to saving their own

necks . But their understanding the full extent of

spacecraft technology is a myth sustained by Germanifiles

My ancestors where from Dusseldorf and Bremin so i understand the

psyche of American neonazis and there are more here

than are willing to reveal their presence ,so as not to disclaim their

alligence to the fatherland nor to be put in need of explaining

there point of view to the rest us .My ancestors came to the new

world a hundred years ago so my allegence is miniscule; just an

admitance of fact and nothing more.

But as for your Post ; i I agree with it and

find it a very intelligent point of view but

still we should not indulge in wishful thinking.

The Nazi capabilities were over exagerated

they had no capacity to make anything that defied

the laws of gravity simply because at their time the laws

of gravity were still in a state of developement and

remember they were reactionaries who hated anything

new and revolutionary . Such physical concepts as

Relativity would be rejected out right simply because it was the

product of a Jew (Albert Einstien ) And you must understand what

gravity is, before you can find a way to defy it. The theory of relativity

is needed in order to understand what gravity is and they rejected it.

So much so that Einstein had to move to the US for his own safety.

GINO69

Wonderful! Wonderful !

That was an excellent post ! And I agree with you

100%. But let us pay more attention to various controversies.

This post is for more than just conversation .There is a need

for dialectics to take hold of issues where coming to a conlusion

is not easy even where logic is not enough. In my own opinion

we have too many lurkers and not enough participants and

if this board is going to justify its existence it must make

itself popular by one means or another . In short we must engage in

argument where the evidence is not conclusive .

As for the trianglular UFO . First it is hovering over

Paris which is not what any government would allow

without an anouncement. Paris is not a testfield for new

military equipment. Its obvious it is being done by somebody

who doesnt give a damn if it is under obseration in fact

who ever made this thing might want to be observed

just to see how people would react to it. So like most

experiments it failed . It got no responce.You might suggest

here that we are seeing is nothing more than a fake CGI cartoon

that was trying to trick us for a laugh . But, how can we ignore

that the camera man is definately out of breath and does not

have good control over his equipment . That I believe is the

clincher . The picture is constantly going out of focus I will

assume that it is a sign of inexperience ; all this suggests

that the object is something real . But if it is a military vehicle,

what is it they are tryng to prove ?That they have a new

flying craft that can hover without proppelers or disappear

in a flash of light ? This is a moot question.

The only thing I saw was the brilliant ball

of light that came up through the undercarriage started

to rise right through the flying craft enlarged to inguff

the entire machine and then disappeared with the craft

within it . It's so good that it might actually be CGI but it's more

likely it is not . We need more visual information to come to

a dependable conclusion . and this is still not a thurough

analysis of this tape ,but lets go on. Oh by the way what

do you mean by "influential" I don't understand the term

as you use it ?

Next, what do they mean by a challenge to science ?

Science is the acquisation of knowledge based on

observing concrete phenomena. What we saw was not

a bubble of marsh gas , If It reflects light it must be there.

BUT! What it is, exactly, is open to speculation. This

is what most photos are : always open to speculation

and inconclusive. This is why we have this board

to debate over inconclusive evidence and indulge

in mind bending speculation

I know that the NAZIs near the end of the war

were indulging in 'secret weapons' but can it be said

that any of these secret weapons worked?

The only known secret weapons that worked

were the V1 Buzzbomber and the V2 rocket

Neither of the weapons were so developed

that they could halt the allies as they ground through

Germany from all sides . So if the Nazis made machines

that looked sausers does not mean they functioned .Certainly

not by the same means as present day sausers do.Do you

remember Weirner von Braun? He invented the V2 rocket

and it worked, but, by todays standards it is primitive .

I doubt this nonscence that they built these machine so

they had to work .Just remember that the Nazis lost the war

useing very mundane weapeonry

These sausers were just for propaganda show

And it seems it worked. We now have more

Neonazis than all the real Nazis in Germany

during the war . It only leads to the conclusion

that people believe more in myths than in facts.

The attempt to rewrite history is the next heated pursuit

of all patriotic Japanese and German youth, it

is an ongoing thing and as all the facts

deteoriate I wager that in the future

both German and Japanese will find

some justifcation for their ancestors

actions and will turn everything around

and acuse the Allies of being responcible

for initiating the war in order that the

people of Japan and Germany had no choice

but to engage in it so as to protect the homeland

Such arrogant nonsence is the mark of the true patriot

deaf dumb and blind to the historical fact that his country

did something it should now be ashamed of.

In our case both Vietnam and Iraq.

GINO69