Originally Posted by Wilhelm
The 911 call where he admits that's he's chasing Martin, and the undisputable fact that he shot and killed him.
It's amazing that you need that explained to you. It's a matter of record.
Of course, you want to pretend that something else happened afterward, but you have absolutely no way of knowing that. All we know is that Zimmerman was chasing Trayvon, and Trayvon ended up dead.
Nonsesne "timelines" and guesses as to what direction people walked or ran in are all just made-up scenarios. I can make up a scenario too, that fits the "timeline" and has Zimmerman cutting off Trayvon, but I don't. I deal in only known facts.
Furthermore, you (and the weirdos you get this "timeline" and location ideas from) seem to completely neglect the fact that when you're being chased by a strange person (who may even be an armed, murderous lunatic, which turned out to be the case) you might not necessarily want to lead them directly to your home. I sure wouldn't run straight to my front door. I'd make sure I wasn't still being followed so as to not inadvertently reveal the whereabouts of my domicile.
Your scenario doesn't take such a thing into account, nor does it take many things into account, it's just a make-believe scenario in how you can turn a crazed aggressor who murdered a kid into a victim, and the victim into the aggressor, which is disgusting and despicable.
Also, you keep referring to Zimmermans "duties" as "watch captain."
He had no "duties" and he was not a member of any recognized "Neighborhood Watch" group. It's just more make-believe.
Here's a statement from the actual "Neighborhood Watch" organization:
The above isn't demonstrating knowledge (that's what I ask you, you claim you KNOW) of how Zimmerman chased down Martin, and then shot him, but a disjointed and incoherent theory. There be holes here.
Zimmerman was on the phone with police dispatch when he gave chase, we hear elevated breathing, louder clicks/bangs for 32 seconds marking his fast pursuit, until after dispatch instructs to stand down, and things quit down. Logically Zimmerman stopped running, and Martin still was moving away. The call continues, and only after it ends a timeline of about 45 seconds to at most 2 minutes begins (not fact, just online media analysis) at the end of which Marting is fatally shot. Both of us know about the chase during the 911 call, Wilhelm, and about the gunshot. But you have demonstrated no knowledge of what happened between the 911 call and the shooting. A hole you fill with guesswork.
To incoherence then:
Your straightforward Chase & Shoot-scenario is the prosecution version of the two main theories. The other is the defense timeline claiming the men relatively moved back and forth in more complex ways. Both theories may explain the hole left between 911 call and the final shot. Both may fit the facts.
But you 'know' Chase & Shoot is factual. Why? Because you prefer it? Would you say that you are never wrong about anything? I think you have confused strong belief with logic.
You call my reasoned and factbased defense of Zimmerman "disgusting and dispicable". But wouldn't Zimmerman, if innocent, be the victim of those accusing him of being a racist murderer? And wouldn't Martin, if he suckerpunched and took down the Watch Captain, be an aggressor? By the same reckoning I could call your characterization of Zimmerman as "crazed aggressor who murdered a kid" highly prejudiced and underinformed! The fact of the matter is that he's not a murderer, but a defendent standing accused of 2nd degree murder, and as such entitled to Presumption of Innocence. (Perhaps you prefer to skip the trial stage entirely, and get round to lynching the guy right away? Just asking
Zimmerman was appointed Watch Captain by the The Retreat's Home Owner's Association, along with other volunteers. Groups like these (apparently) in the US may join a police sponsored oversight organization, however this is not required. (Maybe now the laws will be tightened, ensuring nationwide Neighborhood Watch standards and training.)
Simply: you think you know stuff, but actually you believe them strongly (and overlook the difference).