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Old 13th April 2012   #1
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In State Attorney Corey's timeline things get simple: she has Zimmerman leave his vehicle, follow Martin continuously until he catches up, confronts him, a struggle ensues and the teenager is fatally shot. Photo Credit: REUTERS/Lucas Jackson




A SIMPLIFIED TIMELINE

Angela B. Corey was elected a Florida State Attorney, serving in the Fourth Judicial Circuit Court, in 2008. Just this March, 22nd she was assigned to investigate the Trayvon Martin case. Go click on the link, if you're interested in what she brings to this shooting incident. Clearly this attorney is a highly intelligent woman, judging by the 2011 Fernandez case with a competitive, ambitious, perhaps somewhat ruthless prosecution style even: the go to girl if you want to get things done in the real world.

Mrs. Corey has decided to charge shooter George Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder, building a case leading away from his affirmative defense (appealing to Stand Your Ground, justified self-defense) and an alternative timeline for the events of the shooting. Inevitably, Corey's stopwatch starts the same as everyone elses, the 911 call to police by George Zimmerman.







And it's Go Time for the grim reaper when Zimmerman tells the dispatcher "Sh*t he's running" soon followed during this exchange by police dispatch asking "Are you following him?". Zimmerman goes "Yeah" and police cautions "Ok, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman responds with "Ok". In State Attorney Corey's timeline things get simple after that: she has Zimmerman leave his vehicle armed, proceeding to follow Trayvon Martin unwaveringly until he catches up with the teenager, confronts him, a struggle ensues and he fatally shoots Martin.





SA Corey charges shooter George Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder, building a case leading away from his 'Stand Your Ground' affirmative defense.




THE WITNESS

Angela Corey is no dummy, and nobody (certainly not this enquiring kea) knows how she will prosecute this case. But good guesses can be made from the Probable Cause Affidavit. It refers to an interview with Trayvon's girlfriend:


"Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening. The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why.

"Martin attempted to run home but was followed by Zimmerman who didn't want the person he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime to get away before the police arrived. Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin."



Martin's 16 year old girlfriend, per her testimony, was on the phone with Trayvon for 7:12 minutes, until right before he was shot. Her words:


"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run."

Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone."



Corey's team will seek to discredit the Stand Your Ground defense, and Zimmerman's defense team's timeline (Zimmerman runs briefly after Martin, loses him, walks to streetsign, returns to SUV, gets jumped by Martin), Corey heavily relying on the testimony of Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, to argue for a continuous pursuit by Zimmerman. Chasing, confronting and shooting a person nullifies any affirmative defense, any claim of SYG/Self Defense, and opens the way to Murder 2.

Intriguing questions come to mind. If this younglady is on the phone as her boyfriend gets stalked and presumably assaulted by a strange man, getting cut off, the phone going dead, it stands to reason she called the police that night, fearing for Trayvon, and has been heard by Sanford Police as a witness. If her testimony was heard by the police, why did they believe Zimmerman, why did they not arrest him on the spot?

And if instead this witness did not call in police, fortheloveofgod why not!! It's the kind of question O'Mara will want to ask her directly, and if left without credible explanation, will cast doubt on her story. This prosecution rests on a timeline deduced from Trayvon Martin's girlfriend's phonecall, if established it proves Zimmerman lied, yet all it takes to set him free is for Corey's timing to leave room for reasonable doubt.





Martin's 16 year old girlfriend, per her testimony, was on the phone with Trayvon for 7:12 minutes, until right before he was shot, creating a timeline the Prosecution is based on.




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Excuse me but is there a good reason why this shouldn't be added to the already existing thread?

And why the fixation on this subject?
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Excuse me but is there a good reason why this shouldn't be added to the already existing thread?

And why the fixation on this subject?
Yes, because it is a topic reporting on the just released (April 12) Probable Cause Affidavit, outlining the prosecution's position + reasons for charges. I will attempt to show the Martin shooting case Prosecution side here, and as such '...Watch' is a whole different topic. (The previous topic Stand Your Ground is about earlier media treatment of George Zimmerman, and is more defense oriented.)

Why the fixation? It concerns the shooting death of a 17 year old young man, in the middle of a secured area, by the Watch Captain responsible for security, Jurgen. It's a great mystery, a drama AND any loss of life should be looked at carefully imo.
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Yes, because it is a topic reporting on the just released (April 12) Probable Cause Affidavit, outlining the prosecution's position + reasons for charges. I will attempt to show the Martin shooting case Prosecution side here, and as such '...Watch' is a whole different topic. (The previous topic Stand Your Ground is about earlier media treatment of George Zimmerman, and is more defense oriented.)
Ok, fair enough.
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Why the fixation? It concerns the shooting death of a 17 year old young man, in the middle of a secured area, by the Watch Captain responsible for security, Jurgen. It's a great mystery, a drama AND any loss of life should be looked at carefully imo.
Any loss of life... What a load of crap! If that's the case there is a lot more to talk about cause there are thousands of people getting killed every day!
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Any loss of life... What a load of crap! If that's the case there is a lot more to talk about cause there are thousands of people getting killed every day!
I think that's a bit rude, Jurgen. Anyhow, it's not crap: I value life, and I hate Trayvon dying so young, and the sorrow and loss his parents/fam now must be feeling.
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I think that's a bit rude, Jurgen. Anyhow, it's not crap: I value life, and I hate Trayvon dying so young, and the sorrow and loss his parents/fam now must be feeling.
And yet you obviously are defending Zimmerman.


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Why didn't people give a flying shag about that soldier that killed several children in Afghanistan?
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Why didn't people give a flying shag about that soldier that killed several children in Afghanistan?
Actually the AFGHAN parents and fellow villagers of the children murdered in Kandahar were more than willing to prosecute Robert Bales, according to their standards of justice. (Somehow I don't think this would include a roomy cell with three meals per day, sturdy steel toilet, and a color TV.)

Also no human soul has the strength to bear all of human suffering, injustices and death in one go. We often single out one 'appealing' victim or crime to empathize and feel outraged over, forgetting all others.


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And yet you obviously are defending Zimmerman.


It's a complex case with many involved, and doing justice to all its complexities and everyone directly involved is a challenge. (I'm warning against using Zimmerman as scapegoat in Stand Your Ground.) But at heart this case concerns the loss of a young life, Trayvon Martin, which is the most important reason why it deserves our attention.
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Antrik, probably because it's unlikely that the majority of us could protest in the streets of Afghanistan lol....no wait, isn't the soldier being tried??

It's simple, what Zimmerman did is not "standing your ground"....it is chasing an unprovoking person into confrontation and shooting them. Trayvon was probably very scared not knowing who was chasing him and for what reasons, and it's probably very likely he did try to defend himself, which caused the injuries to Zimmerman. If anyone was standing their ground, sounds to me like it was more Trayvon defending himself. It's unfortunate that Zimmerman had a bit of charge in his emotions with the duties he was supposed to be upholding - he shouldn't have chased, confronted, or pulled the trigger. It very much looks like someone who truly was trying to do good, but out of adrenaline ended up doing something very bad instead. What a tragedy for everyone close to this.
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