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Old 11th August 2012   #21
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Yes thats right,stick to Obama,the countries are all in great shape when this overated bum took over.He never even had a lemonade stand yet he takes on the most difficult job in the world.
I wasn't aware that one of the qualifications to be president was to have run a lemonade stand.........do you think Mitt had a lemonade stand as a kid?????
How about a man born with a silver spoon in his mouth, who never held a blue collar job in his life is now running for the most difficult job in the world?????? You really think Mitt can relate to the average middle class and poor better than Obama????? Really????
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Man, I hate politics and religion. If neither existed I would have no disagreement with anyone. No major disagreement anyway, humans love fomenting discord by nature.
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As long as this country is ruled by self serving political parties, democratic elections are useless as a vehicle for meaningful change. I agree with antri that we are victims of a two party plutocracy, and it will be our ruin.
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And Mittens "good" choice continues to amaze:
Paul Ryan's Jack Abramoff And Tom DeLay Connections Likely To Draw New Scrutiny
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As long as this country is ruled by self serving political parties, democratic elections are useless as a vehicle for meaningful change. I agree with antri that we are victims of a two party plutocracy, and it will be our ruin.
I have to agree and I'll even throw in the words oligarchy, fascism, and crony capitalism just to cover all bets.

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I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by that. It's funny that the Republicons like to call the Dems corrupt and have alluded to Obamas Chicago connections but the GOP have been some of the most corrupt over the last 30 years at high levels where they usually just get away with it.

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"The Republicans, or Grand Old Party, are exponentially more corrupt than the Democratic Party by entire orders of magnitude. Two specific Republican Presidential administrations account for more corrupt convictions than all others combined. Actually, even individually, the Reagan and Nixon presidencies each account for more corruption than all other administrations. Although Warren G. Harding appreciates the more successful competition.

Nixon = Watergate. There is nothing to compare. The investigations, convictions, resignations, and terminations were astounding. And, almost all of the criminal behavior has been forgotten by U.S. voters, totally ignored and set aside by the media, and much of it revived by current GOP functionaries.

Reagan established a wide-ranging expanse of corruption that is difficult to describe because it covers so many areas and because it jumps into the "continuation Presidency" of George H.W. Bush.

Most prominent are the Iran-Contra "arms for hostages" and the arms for cash to illegally fund South American wars and insurgencies. There were 16 high-level indictments and about 12 convictions, with four walk-offs by failure to prosecute. Of the 12 convictions a few were overturned on appeal and technicalities, specifically Lt. Col Oliver C.North and Adm. John Poindexter. The CIA director who very likely devised exchanging U.S. military hardware for hostages and cash, William Casey, managed to do the honorable thing and die of a brain tumor before he could by charged. The five most prominent criminals were pardoned by George H.W. Bush who is alleged to have arranged the arms for hostages trade-off with the Iranians at Prague, Czechoslovakia, in the final year of Pres. Carter's administration.
Casper Weinbarger, Sec. Defense, was pardoned Dec. 24, 1992, before going to trial.
Robert C. MacFarlane, Director of the Nat'l Security Agency, plea-bargained, pardoned by Bush xli.
Elliot Abrams, Asst. Sec. State, plea-bargained, pardoned by Bush xli.
Alan D. Fiers, CIA Chief, Central American Task Force, sentenced, but pardoned by Bush xli.
Clair George, CIA Chief, Covert Operations, convicted, but pardoned before sentence by Bush xli.

The second Reagan corruption failure was the Savings & Loan scandal which cost American taxpayers about $160 billion to bail out 747 thrift banks. The losses generated out-of-control deficits that pushed the National Debt into record levels and set up the recurring interest payments on these huge losses that continue adding to the deficits.

Either Nixon or Reagan, as sole examples, would hold the record for massive political corruption. The two administrations, together, make the Republican Party the most corrupt criminal enterprise in U.S. history. But . . .

Throw in the gangstas, bankstas, and fraudstas of the Bu$h xliii administation and, WOW, the corruption trophy may be permanentaly owned by the GOP. The Wall Street bail outs, the big bank bail outs, the AIG buy out, the total collapse of the U.S. financial system, the wipe-out of the monetary system, the U.S. recession and persistent unemployment, the worldwide "depression," and the 50 percent reduction in stock market valuation place George W. Bush in a "bush league" of his own. The problem in terms of answering this question is that the catastrophe of 2001-2008 was probably not actually "corruption"; more likely, it was sheer, blazing, mind-numbing stupidity with a massive dosage of incompetence. Ol' Buckshot Cheney may have stolen a few extra $million$ with the Halliburton sole source contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq, but there's not much evidence that Bu$h's dimwits cashed in on the other fiascos. They were simple-mindedly flim-flammed by their pals in corporate boardrooms."
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The problem in terms of answering this question is that the catastrophe of 2001-2008 was probably not actually "corruption"; more likely, it was sheer, blazing, mind-numbing stupidity with a massive dosage of incompetence. Ol' Buckshot Cheney may have stolen a few extra $million$ with the Halliburton sole source contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq, but there's not much evidence that Bu$h's dimwits cashed in on the other fiascos. They were simple-mindedly flim-flammed by their pals in corporate boardrooms."
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