Education.....blame the parents?

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by DD2011

And with that said, I think your statistics of the finances is a completely different ball game that doesn't help education but it isn't entirely a trickle down effect we're dealing with on some of these kids, although yes it's a huge problem in the system, especially when the govt and politicians are protecting taxing them at an equal rate to the little guy (it's down right wrong)--are you Dr. Wu in disguise...how factual are those statistics lol!! Obviously it will require love and care for the poor to get richer!! (I can't believe I'm continuing on with my buffoonism with you lol).

1) dr wu in disguise? OH GOD NO! (take two aspirins and chill out)

2) the stats were reported to the world a couple of months back. I first heard them on PBS world news. Bill Moyers later had a two or three part program on the topic and confirmed the same stats. I believe them to be correct. (I have seen these same stats reported in several places since then).

3) I really wouldn't consider it baffoonism to point out that kids from the 40% havenots of the USA have lost faith in education as being something of use to them. This thread came about as a question of who to blame for the current problems of the public education system today. I did my best to point out that the blame really goes to the failure of our economic system to provide realistic opportunity for everyone. Its failure is real, as the stats clearly show; and the kids from the lower 40% fully understand what it means to them.

4) I contend that all the problems inside the schools will continue until the economy is redesigned to work for everyone, and not just the well to do. I contend that these problems are themselves a symptom of the larger problem, and because of that no amount of love or compassion is going to help it to any significant degree.

5) No disrespect intended. I have simply stated here that which I truely believe to be actual. I feel the evidence supports my position. Teachers are leaving in droves -- so forget replacing "bad" ones with "good" ones. Crime inside schools is a growing problem, as is bullying and drugs. Many of the students in ever increasing numbers are frequently truant, refuse to study or to do any homework and often disrupt classrooms and even threaten teachers. Given that set of circumstances, I feel that major change is required. Otherwise you will soon see the rich put their children in private schools with all the best teachers, leaving the situation for everyone else to become even worse -- assuming that is possible.

6) The last time love and compassion had a chance to work was in the movie "To Sir with love." But there the havenots were not so numerous, and the promise of education was far more realistic for them.

[DD2011]

Not entirely sure why I'm even responding....this is it, the last time.

Originally Posted by Darrell

1) dr wu in disguise? OH GOD NO! (take two aspirins and chill out) If you were Wu, I surely wouldn't expect you to admit it. Telling a woman to chill can have an opposite effect....careful.

2) the stats were reported to the world a couple of months back. I first heard them on PBS world news. Bill Moyers later had a two or three part program on the topic and confirmed the same stats. I believe them to be correct. (I have seen these same stats reported in several places since then).

3) I really wouldn't consider it baffoonism to point out that kids from the 40% havenots of the USA have lost faith in education as being something of use to them. This thread came about as a question of who to blame for the current problems of the public education system today. I did my best to point out that the blame really goes to the failure of our economic system to provide realistic opportunity for everyone. Its failure is real, as the stats clearly show; and the kids from the lower 40% fully understand what it means to them.
The word baffoon doesn't exist...Look up the word buffoon...we was indeed buffooning. Considering you changed your story back and forth on what is the 40%, I'm not even going there with you.
4) I contend that all the problems inside the schools will continue until the economy is redesigned to work for everyone, and not just the well to do. I contend that these problems are themselves a symptom of the larger problem, and because of that no amount of love or compassion is going to help it to any significant degree. Yes huh, will too.

5) No disrespect intended. I have simply stated here that which I truely believe to be actual. I feel the evidence supports my position. Teachers are leaving in droves -- so forget replacing "bad" ones with "good" ones. Crime inside schools is a growing problem, as is bullying and drugs. Many of the students in ever increasing numbers are frequently truant, refuse to study or to do any homework and often disrupt classrooms and even threaten teachers. Given that set of circumstances, I feel that major change is required. Otherwise you will soon see the rich put their children in private schools with all the best teachers, leaving the situation for everyone else to become even worse -- assuming that is possible.
Sure it's possible because people won't CARE to help those in lower statuses...it's all about the love!

6) The last time love and compassion had a chance to work was in the movie "To Sir with love." But there the havenots were not so numerous, and the promise of education was far more realistic for them.
Never seen the movie, but I can guarantee you caring/love is the root of the problem...someone didn't care and it spiralled out of control. Dropping kids and not caring like you suggest isn't the answer. Again, this pointless argument continues because you keep repeating yourself and then I keep repeating myself...just give it up already, we have differing opinions and nothing you or I say will change that.

[Darrell]

dd:

Yes, you have it all correct.

I am dr wu in disquise and love will solve everything. the end.

[spaceboy]

Originally Posted by Darrell

children simply don't have time to learn. they are too busy texting and tweeting and getting tattoos and body piercings. and if they have any spare time, they have music and dancing to occupy their time.

if you want to motivate them to hit the books and learn something important, first you must show them that their parents can find meaningful employment because they have acquired valuable education. as long as kids can make ten times the money their parents made when employed just by selling dope, all you are doing is reinforcing their perception that the system is broke and education won't fix that which is wrong with it.

so if you want to blame the real culprit, blame the society that broke itself by permitting greed to rule. blame the society that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer without any real concern for the losers. sorry folks, but that's all of us (some more than others). we made this mess; and the kids are smart enough to see that it doesn't work and that we've developed no way to fix what's wrong. And if you can't win, why play the game?

As much as I don't want to agree with you, I do. The sacrifices made by previous generations seem to be lost on MOST of these kids.They ARE spoiled with the current technology.Alot of kids now a days aren't taught the value of work and take for granted all that they have. I am making it my buisness to teach my kids and help them not only know what happened in history-BUT WHY.....Before I die they will know about certain wars-From the American Revolution on up for sure......maybe others like the Opium Wars -how history is not black and white, why man makes war for resources-kills for the maintenance of the status quo etc.-Freedom (if we truly have it) is certainly worth dying for.Dying for manufactured consent is questionable.Question everything.They will have heard of Orwell, Chomskey, Vonnegut,Bradbury,Asimov,Joseph Campbell,and many others.They will undersand the reasoning behind stopping the tyranny of unbalanced and power mad men like Hitler and Mussolini- and have an insight as to why the Japanese were so stubbornly misled by delusional personalities like Hirohito.I hope the contributions and sacrifices of those who went before including MLK-JFK-RFK-Malcom X-The Mississippi Three etc.Those who gave their lives-shall have not been in vain.But I also hope they are smart enough to recognize our own demons.Americans have also been guilty of atrocities.They are guilty of letting the almighty dollar rule their lives, and need to own this.We are no longer loved in the world as the bringers of freedom- we are seen as OCCUPYING FORCES. I hope we can get through this time where most people just think about themselves. Sometimes I am ashamed to be a human being.