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Old 13th September 2009   #1
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Carl Sagan talks about UFOs. From the TV show Cosmos

Carl Edward Sagan (November 9, 1934 – December 20, 1996) was an American astronomer, astrochemist, author, and highly successful popularizer of astronomy, astrophysics and other natural sciences. He pioneered exobiology and promoted the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI)

He is world-famous for writing popular science books and for co-writing and presenting the award-winning 1980 television series Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, which has been seen by more than 600 million people in over 60 countries, making it the most widely watched PBS program in history. A book to accompany the program was also published. He also wrote the novel Contact the basis for the 1997 film of the same name.

One of the last books he wrote was Pale Blue Dot During his lifetime, Sagan published more than 600 scientific papers and popular articles and was author, co-author, or editor of more than 20 books. In his works, he frequently advocated skeptical inquiry, secular humanism, and the scientific method.
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Great, this guy describes my view on the Hills' case, I think it's enormously overrated. I do have read about UFO physical evidence so one might think it's true, and I sometimes do, or else it'd be a brilliantly set-up lie. Though you always have to believe people on their word, when you lack the expertise or the access to some kind of evidence there's not much left than asking critical questions, investigating whether it's even possible on a scientific basis and so on. Often you just have to believe people/scientists on their words. There's no other option than doing this and maybe some investigation yourself, but often that isn't sufficient. You never know. That's definetely a downside of ufology.
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then how do you explain what they BOTH told Dr.Simon under hypnosis?
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Hypnosis is not a memory recall..it is flawed and people are open to suggestion..the case is old and reflects the cold war paranoia of the time.
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Mr.Magoo,both Betty and Barney repeated the story two years after it happen,they told the same story.Ive never ever heard of this kind of thing before,Skeptics hate the Hill story because they cant point to Dr.Simon asking leading questions.I believe the Hills.
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Firstly im not a sceptic..im a non believer..the betty and barney hill story has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt..the hypnotic regression carried out by a little heard of Dr Simon does not count as evidence..funny how the story became more and more elaborated as it became more known....why wait two years..maybe money had somthing to do with it.
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no they tried every which way to have someone pay attention,they both were experiencing trouble sleeping when they went to Dr.Simon,but whats with the question about Dr.Simon? He did the wise thing,that is to tape what they said under hypnosis,whats wrong with that?
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Hypnoisis would never be admissable becuase its flawed..how many people who have been regressed to past lives have more often than not turn out to believe they were someone famous or somthing we would all recognise from history....as with all this cases no hard evidence,why do the aliens leave no evidence..where we know every thing leaves a trace..even if at the forensic level.
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Hypnoisis would never be admissable becuase its flawed..how many people who have been regressed to past lives have more often than not turn out to believe they were someone famous or somthing we would all recognise from history....as with all this cases no hard evidence,why do the aliens leave no evidence..where we know every thing leaves a trace..even if at the forensic level.
I can see and understand the point you are making, Mr. Magoo. In an ideal World any evidence would be there for us all to see. However, what about the, supposed, evidence that has been collected by the U.S. Military and hidden away from us all ? Does this not count because the U.S. have decided that we are not to be privy to it ?
Evidence is evidence even if it is deliberately kept from us. My own view is that, " someone, somewhere, knows all about this evidence and are choosing to keep it from us to fit in with their own agendas " .
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