Project Serpo Release 32

[dr wu23]

Steph,
Like all of these wild claims none of the Serpo stuff has ever been verified; it's just one big tale. Some of the major players involved had some shady connections and credibility issues.

[Khtiraa]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

These kinds of ludicrous hoaxes from various sources is one of the main reasons why science will not get involved.
IMHO...anyone who buys into this kind of junk ,and other alien crap, isn't playing with a full deck or is in on the disinfo game.

You really think that the ET angle is disinfo? I thought it was the other way around lol.

[Khtiraa]

Originally Posted by StephieM

Thanks Oskar. This is the first I've heard about Serpo...It's going to take me quite some time to catch up and read through it all. So far of what I've read, the e-mails from this 'Anonymous' person are extremely 'out there' and difficult to wrap one's head around. It reads more like a sci-fi book than reality.
If this is some kind of a prank, then this 'anonymous' person is one of the smartest pranksters I've come across. He definitely has left no stone unturned and has dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's.
So far I'm stuck on this one. The e-mails, though entertaining to read, are just too farfetched to accept without question. However, it would be interesting to see where this goes in the future. Whether or not this anonymous person will reveal himself or bring some 'real' evidence to light that supports his claims.

If someone were actually releasing top secret information by email, he would have been traced and put out of commission long ago.

[DrDil]

Originally Posted by StephieM

What?

Is it me or am I just not looking in the right place? I haven't been able to find anything about this incident except numerous sites that all claim the same thing....that it happened. How exactly is it an elaborate hoax? Where's the evidence? Who said it happened? How do they know it happened? And what exactly did happen?

Heh, heh,

You ask for links proving it's a hoax.

I supplied them them before you post the following:

Originally Posted by StephieM

Thanks Oskar. This is the first I've heard about Serpo...It's going to take me quite some time to catch up and read through it all. So far of what I've read, the e-mails from this 'Anonymous' person are extremely 'out there' and difficult to wrap one's head around. It reads more like a sci-fi book than reality.
If this is some kind of a prank, then this 'anonymous' person is one of the smartest pranksters I've come across. He definitely has left no stone unturned and has dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's.
So far I'm stuck on this one. The e-mails, though entertaining to read, are just too farfetched to accept without question. However, it would be interesting to see where this goes in the future. Whether or not this anonymous person will reveal himself or bring some 'real' evidence to light that supports his claims.

And with the first few paragraphs of the first link stating:

Project Serpo Uncovered

On 2nd November 2005, Victor Martinez, the moderator of a UFOlogy-related electronic mailing list, posted an email from an anonymous source claiming to be a retired official of the US government. The information referred to a top secret exchange program of twelve US military personnel to planet "Serpo", a planet in the Zeta Reticuli star system, between the years 1965-78.

More messages soon followed and so did a website, all promoting the same general idea; that of ET contact and an extended stay on an alien planet.

The facts however paint a rather different picture to the fantastical "Exchange Program" outlined above. The majority of the information regarding the Serpo Project has either passed through or is directly from Richard Doty, a person well-known in the field of UFOlogy. Furthermore, some of the names brought out to lend support to the story, in particular Paul McGovern, are in reality also none other than Richard Doty. Read on for the real story behind Project Serpo.

The Reality Uncovered Investigation

The actual investigation comprised of three distinct elements; the so-called "Fake Anonymous" episode, Operation "Tacitus", and continued & direct contact with the individuals involved behind the scenes of the Serpo story.

If you want to be entertained, go to the "official" Serpo website. If you want the truth, you are in the right place.

Introduction - Just The Facts, Please

All of the information presented to Victor Martinez and Bill Ryan by "Request Anonymous" came in fact from Richard C. Doty. Martinez may have suspected Doty's involvement, but Bill Ryan knew from the very start that he was getting the Serpo material directly from the former AFOSI security guard. Doty has continuously denied having any involvement in the story, despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary. In addition to Doty, Martinez and Ryan, the behind the scenes "Team of Five" who collaborated extensively on the project is completed by Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green - a former analyst with the CIA, and physicist Dr. Harold (Hal) E. Puthoff.

(Source)

(Which are the same names I mentioned in my earlier reply):

Originally Posted by DrDil

Of course if it were to happen then the biggest problem would be of course is who would assert copyright or where should the royalties go?! To me that’s much more puzzling than any of the Serpo shenanigans, would it be Richard Doty, Bill Ryan, Kit Green, Hal Putoff, Victor Martinez, etc. etc. etc.

Cheers.

[StephieM]

Dil, thanks for the links!

Why would someone go through such an elaborate hoax and continue to do so even after they've been exposed?
I'm kind of glad it is a hoax, there was just a lot of things that weren't adding up to me according to my beliefs and what not. One of the things that bothered me was that these EBEN's were supposedly only 10,000 years old, however 'anonymous' also stated they were thousands of years more advanced than we are. It also stated that when their civilization was only 5000 years old they moved to a new planet. Our civilization is older than that and we still haven't figured out how to get to our very own neighboring planet let alone travel long distances. Didn't make any sense. The discriptions of their planet also did not fit this criteria. You'd think that being that advanced and being able to travel through space they would be living in something more elaborate than clay houses.

I will agree with one thing...it would make a very interesting book or movie. Maybe I'll get started on that.

[Khtiraa]

Steph, If you want to study an elaborate hoax, read about the Ummo Letters. It took place in France during the 60s and 70s and involved a Spanish psychologist and a small group of scientists who convinced some that they were ETs living among the people. There is still a cult in Brazil, The Sisters of Ummo or something like that. This turns out to be a research project into human paranoia, set up by Dr. Jose Luis Jordan Pena.
The Serpo hoax doesn't come close to the sophistication of the Ummo letters. The only thing I can say about Serpo, is that it might be a government dis-info. project to muddle things or hide some truth in plain site.

[StephieM]

Originally Posted by Khtiraa

Steph, If you want to study an elaborate hoax, read about the Ummo Letters. It took place in France during the 60s and 70s and involved a Spanish psychologist and a small group of scientists who convinced some that they were ETs living among the people. There is still a cult in Brazil, The Sisters of Ummo or something like that. This turns out to be a research project into human paranoia, set up by Dr. Jose Luis Jordan Pena.
The Serpo hoax doesn't come close to the sophistication of the Ummo letters. The only thing I can say about Serpo, is that it might be a government dis-info. project to muddle things or hide some truth in plain site.

People have been known to do some wild and crazy things!

As for Serpo, I don't think the government is behind it. If the government is hiding something, the last thing they want is another conspiracy theory. I think when it comes to disinfo on the governments part, it's more of a debunking tactic to get people to veer away from the UFO phenom all together. Something like this only gets people more riled up and enthusiastic about the issue. IMO...it's either 1) Some smart *** skeptic who has way too much time on their hands, who will eventually come out and say..."Ha ha, the jokes on you." Or 2) A UFO buff who likewise has too much time on their hands, who must of thought we didn't have enough to talk about on the subject so created this new fantastic story that would certainly get us all buzzing. I'm sure in either case their thinking was..."let's see how fast this gets around the net, how big it gets, and how many people will fall for it".

This kind of thing really makes me angry. This is exactly why so many people refuse to take the subject seriously. It's these junk heads that ruin it for the rest of us. People assume that if some of it is a bunch of bologna, then all of it must be a bunch of bologna. Therefore anyone who believes any of it, must be completely off their rocker.

[Carol Nistri]

nice going Steph.

"This kind of thing really makes me angry. This is exactly why so many people refuse to take the subject seriously. It's these junk heads that ruin it for the rest of us. People assume that if some of it is a bunch of bologna, then all of it must be a bunch of bologna. Therefore anyone who believes any of it, must be completely off their rocker."

It can take people years to figure out what you did in just a few posts,bravo.

[Miss Deetective]

You hit the nail on the head, Stephie....we see that kind of thinking right here on this board!!! Too many people are willing the throw out the baby with the bath water!!!
Hoaxes do NOT negate genuine phenomena...they only muddy up the water.

[StephieM]

The problem is, because of all the hoaxes and fakes out there, the truth will always be an arms length away. It's frustrating because while skeptics continue to sift through the sand looking for the one clam that holds the very pearl their looking for, there's those of us at the other end of the beach with a truck load of pearls that never seem to be good enough. Skeptics assume that we have all these pearls because we're willing to accept any clam that crawls out of the sand. That just isn't so. We just know how to sift through the dirt. We know that even if there's a section of a beach that is full of bad clams with no pearls, somewhere in there is a clam with a morsel of truth that can not be justified through reason. Because of all these 'bad clams' obscuring our view of the good ones, it's difficult for some of us to see what lies beneathe the sand. These people are digging with a spoon, they only get as far as the bad clams. Then there are those with shovels who dig far enough to scratch the surface, but not far enough. Instead of all these shovels we need someone with a bulldozer strong enough to break through the barrier of bad clams. Someone to clear the way for all the good clams to crawl to the surface so that the real truth becomes unobscured. But anyone with the credentials to do so are petrified to even come near the dirt, afraid their bulldozer will get stuck in the mud with all the bad clams. So what are we to do as believers? The only thing we can do is keep digging with our shovels and hope that someday we'll clear away enough bad clams to convince the masses we're not crazy. Either that, or we hope the good clams will someday crawl to the surface on their own and we will no longer have to dig.

I need some coffee....or sleep.