What Are Flying Saucers?

[Carol Nistri]

Visitor,have you ever gotten into NIDS at all,they were great and the best hope for all of us.

http://www.rense.com/general11/nids.htm

[VISITOR]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Visitor,have you ever gotten into NIDS at all,they were great and the best hope for all of us.

http://www.rense.com/general11/nids.htm

I can't see how you feel that NIDS are, " the best hope for all of us ".
They appear to want to keep all the worthwhile secrets to themselves and only let out into the public domain information that is not really valuable but is enough to wet the appetite.
At this point in time I don't feel that I can put too much trust in them.

[Carol Nistri]

I think Visitor tho I cant be certain that NIDS wanted to play there cards close to the vest. They were careful gathering information not to jump to any conclusions,they did whet the appetite but I for one understood what they were doing that is not just willy nilly releasing any findings but instead gathering information that was to be discussed amongst themselves,given the nature of the internet and the skeptics community I think they did the right thing,btw Vallee was on the board of NIDS.

[dr wu23]

Vallee is 70 this September...I'm betting his ufo hunting days are over.
Too bad since imo he's one of the few who understands all the aspects to this enigma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e

[Miss Deetective]

Dr Wu
"Too bad since imo he's one of the few who understands all the aspects to this enigma."
You mean one of the few who agrees with your views on it!!

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Miss_Deetective

Dr Wu
"Too bad since imo he's one of the few who understands all the aspects to this enigma."
You mean one of the few who agrees with your views on it!!

Never met the man so I have no idea what he thinks about my views.
But imo no one even comes close to the knowledge and experience and unique thinking he brings to the enigma.

[Carol Nistri]

and why is that,why hasnt anyone come close,maybe its because its uniquely his thinking.Stanton friedman doesnt think much of Vallee and Im wondering if any of the recognizable names in the field think one way or another.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Vallee is 70 this September...I'm betting his ufo hunting days are over.
Too bad since imo he's one of the few who understands all the aspects to this enigma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e

Wow, didn't think he was that old. I thought he was in his early 60's.

[VISITOR]

Recently I have been giving much thought to the question, " What are Flying Saucers "?
Let us suppose, for the sake of discussion, that SOME UFO's are actually craft belonging to an Alien Race, or Races. All manner of shape of the craft have been described by various witnesses ranging from Orbs to Discs and Cigar Shaped Craft. How would you differentiate between them? Are they belonging to the same Race? Do the different type of craft serve different purposes?
Going along with the supposition that SOME UFO's are alien craft I would hazard an educated guess that whatever Race they belong to, that Race are far superior in terms of technology than the level attained here on Earth. They are able to traverse the Galaxy, or if the EDH hypothesis carries any weight slip from their Dimension, or Reality, into ours. I should imagine that , taking their level of technology into account, they have produced " unmanned probes ", similar to the probes that we have sent out into our Solar system and to Venus and Mars, only much more advanced. It MAY well be that these probes have the ability to " think for themselves " so whatever situation they become faced with they can deal with it. At this point I have to think that the "orbs " that have been seen are actually examples of these " unmanned probes ". I do not think that the " orbs " themselves can undertake the journey from their Homeworlds to Earth and are probably " launched " from from the " cigar shaped UFO's " which could well be " flying laboratories " that are being used to study Earth and its inhabitants. The " discs " are more than likely to be " scout craft " that carry crews of between three and five. I would say that these are used when there is a need for any " hands on " exploration and study.
Now the U.S. have developed aircraft that are oblivious to Radar, the " stealth aircraft ". Is it not feasible to assume that an Alien Race had developed craft that can " cloak " and become invisible to us? I would further hazard a guess that the " discs " and " Cigar shaped UFO's " are " carried by a colossal " Mother Ship " that actually makes the immense journeys across Space and it is the " Mother Ships " that are " cloaked " and are in orbit around the Earth or MAYBE even on or around our Moon.
Now it has been suggested in different sources that if " infra-red lens " are used it is possible to photograph these " Mother Ships ". Personally I haven't got a clue if this is indeed correct and maybe some of our members who are proficient in photography can shed some light on this possibility. You all must have some thoughts on this so feel free to add your in-put.

[Miss Deetective]

Vis
That is a very good possiblity and does seem to fit in with all the eye witness accounts.
Just for the sake of argument....let's take the hardcore skeptics point of view.
For the sake of discussion....let's assume that there are NO alien ufo's and everything that is sighted and cannot be explained away....is some type of craft that the military is flying around. That means that for centuries.....even long before there were ANY kind of aerial craft....people were seeing something that didn't yet exist!!!
Now let's just narrow it down to modern times. The military has been developing top secret craft that they fly all over the world...over populated cities and along hiways.
For the past 60+ years now, they have been using ufology as a cover for their top secret planes. By denying that alien craft exist in our skies....they think that they have a free rein because no one is going to believe them anyway.....so they are using a kind of reverse psychology on everyone.
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That, to me, makes no sense whatsoever. What good does it do to have all those top secret planes that people have been SEEING and REPORTING as ufos all these years just flying all around?? What is their purpose??? What are they intended for??
What good is something that NEVER is acknowledged let alone seems to have no usefulness. We are currently in a war in Iraq....are these top secret planes being used to help end the war?? Seems that by now all those different types of ufos (IF they are truly all ours) would be put to some good use.