Has anyone here ever read a book

[Carol Nistri]

about PILOTS and ufos? I watched a show yesterday its one Ive seen before about Stephenville Texas,but this time I watched and listend and saw things just a tad differently. Once again Im smitten by the fact that we may have missed a very very important factor here. Its the pilots themselves.They have got to know something,there sent out to chase ufos off,there seen doing just that from people on the ground,Phoenix Arizona comes to mind,one witnesses said he saw two F-16s chase that huge black tri off,the witnesses in Texas said they saw F-16s circling and chasing off a ufo.If you look back at these cases you can see where the military has sent in F-16s time and time again,including the Belgium sighting.But we never ever refer to the PILOTS of those plans. Theres got to be a story there,a very important story.So,my original question is has anyone ever read a book in which emphasis is placed on the pilots involved with these chases.

[shrinker]

Timother Goode's book Above Top Secret has a lot of pilot information as does Leslie Keane's newish book, UFO.

[Carol Nistri]

Originally Posted by shrinker

Timother Goode's book Above Top Secret has a lot of pilot information as does Leslie Keane's newish book, UFO.

Ill have to give those two a look,I own both of them but I dont recall anyone actually talking to or interviewing a pilot,if anything it does say that men in the military can and will keep a secret if they understand the importance of it. Ill look it up thanks so much. Btw,welcome to the board Shrinker.

[Skeptical]

Carol, dear, you really need to start taking that gingko. You have brought up pilots on any number of occasions in the past.

At any rate, I would start at narcap.org. They have some very interesting technical reports from civil aviation sources. Here's a good place to start:

http://www.narcap.org/reports/005/narcap.survey.pdf

This is the results of a survey taken among about 300 pilots and air crew members. The uptake is, the long a person has been flying, the more likely he or she is to have an active interest in UFOs.

On the flip-side of that, you can go back and read Dr. Hynek's book, The UFO Experience. His assertion is that pilots as a group are actually poorer than average observers (indicating their UFO testimony should carry no greater weight than anyone else's).

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[Carol Nistri]

You know what (excuse me while I take that ginko,gulp,there,) ok but you know what Skep,Hynek saying that has bugged me since I first heard it years ago,it doenst make sense that he singles out pilots and then calls them poor observers.Pilots have got to have better powers of observation than the average person.Methinks with nothing to back it up that pilots and there powers of observation was a called for play,they used Hynek to deliver the message therefore taking pressure off pilots that have been asked to say nothing regarding ufos. Im telling you the more I think of it the more Im convinced that pilots the ones that have actually been asked to chase off ufos are a source a valuable untapped source.Now pilots that have recently been in one of these chases are going to be young and therefore maliable,that is to say there going to think of themselves as top gun material,Tom Cruisish..let them retire let Dee meet them in a bar start them popping a few and turn them loose,cripes I cant believe I just wrote that,but you know what I mean,the young ones are going to swear on their mothers eyes they will never talk ,the older ones thought so to at one time,then time clears up that loyalty thing for them and their ripe for the picking,now wheres Dee?

[Wilhelm]

Nothing to back it up?

Hynek explained in great detail that what he noticed was, statistically, pilots had a higher rate of misidentification of celestial objects. Then he gave his interpretation as to why that might be the case.

If I recall correctly, his bottom line idea was that is was better (and safer) for a pilot to misidentify a celestial object as an unknown, rather than the other way around.

If you decide that the light over there is just a star, you'd be pretty screwed if it turned out to be another aircraft, and you smashed into it.

It actually makes a lot of sense than pilots would be more likely than the general public to misidentify something. A pilot would have much more to lose for being wrong.

[mark100]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Ill have to give those two a look,I own both of them but I dont recall anyone actually talking to or interviewing a pilot,if anything it does say that men in the military can and will keep a secret if they understand the importance of it. Ill look it up thanks so much. Btw,welcome to the board Shrinker.

Hi Carol, I think in the Leslie Kean book there are a couple of chapters all about pilot encounters, where the pilots describe in detail what they've seen. A very interesting book.

[Miss Deetective]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

You know what (excuse me while I take that ginko,gulp,there,) ok but you know what Skep,Hynek saying that has bugged me since I first heard it years ago,it doenst make sense that he singles out pilots and then calls them poor observers.Pilots have got to have better powers of observation than the average person.Methinks with nothing to back it up that pilots and there powers of observation was a called for play,they used Hynek to deliver the message therefore taking pressure off pilots that have been asked to say nothing regarding ufos. Im telling you the more I think of it the more Im convinced that pilots the ones that have actually been asked to chase off ufos are a source a valuable untapped source.Now pilots that have recently been in one of these chases are going to be young and therefore maliable,that is to say there going to think of themselves as top gun material,Tom Cruisish..let them retire let Dee meet them in a bar start them popping a few and turn them loose,cripes I cant believe I just wrote that,but you know what I mean,the young ones are going to swear on their mothers eyes they will never talk ,the older ones thought so to at one time,then time clears up that loyalty thing for them and their ripe for the picking,now wheres Dee?

I better brush up on my dating skills....things are very boring here in California....I'm getting rusty!!!!
I will do my best though....anything for the cause, yanno!!!

[Carol Nistri]

yahoo,attagirl Dee.

Wilhelm,ok I understand what your saying but,I should think that recognizing common stars in the sky and placement of those stars is part of a pilots training.Im not at all sure of that but I should think so but lets say its not,No training as far as stars there placement in the night sky etc. Most of us can walk outside and look at the night sky and with book in hand identify any known star,the The big Dipper,the little dipper etc.Pilots spend a lot of time flying,it would seem to me that if anyone could indentify the more commonly known stars it would be pilots,but thats not the issue.MOVING objects is another story altogether. I beg to differ,I just cant see a man intelligent enough to become a pilot either commercial or military would see the stars night after night year after year and come back with stories of ufos,I dont think that they actually land their plane walk into wherever they walk into sit themselves down and handwrite a report about having seen a ufo,but its not these pilots Im referring to.Its those that have been involved in a chase or chase away of a ufo.Those guys have got to be informed of where in the sky they have to head,what they will see when they see it and especially the rules of engagement when they do see them.Someone has got to tell them in advance that these objects are not to be fired on,that there only to be chased away etc.


(Hi Mark,yes I own Leslies book I enjoyed this one very much,Im going to look up exactly what she had to say regarding pilots and ufos,another poster also mentioned that
Timothy Goods book has references to pilots in there,Ill refresh my memory on both of these books this week,thanks for the tip Mark and welcome to the board._