Aliens vs.Demons

[Carol Nistri]

ok Jurg,this is zee spot..

(OK Jurg,I found it.)

I read this morning a wonderful post by someone Im not familar with.It called aliens demons,sound familiar? Im mad at myself for not noting the name of the thread but now that Ive got to go thru a zillion posts to find it I felt it better I start this thread for which I havent a name. Anyway dear poster you talked at length about your having come to the conclusion that were dealing with demons and not aliens at all. Thats going to stun some people frighten still others and confuse most.Im going to say up front that I was the biggest believer if a bonafide alien/saucer that could be found on the net.If I came across something that talked of aliens and such with a peppering of demons thrown in Id toss it aside and keep trucking.Now I wish I had paid more attention. I too am leaning more and more towards the theory that were not dealing with aliens at all,thats its demons thats been fooling mankind all these eons.I know I know thats not popular on boards such as this but remember Ive always said weve got to go were all this leads,if we dont like the conclusions so be it,but its got to be pursued. Now the author of that piece I read this morning,are you there?

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

ok Jurg,this is zee spot..

I'm not sure what you're up to here, but I can guess!

Having a go: I'd remove the religious dimension, and supernatural realms from the question first. My 'demon'-label signifies an entity as implacably hostile, deceptive, intelligently malevolent and dangerous to you and me AS a biblical/koranic demon. If I came across an intelligent non-human visitor, like a UFOnaut, who was totally nasty, I'd call that alien demonic, demon-like or a demon.


orangekea

[dr wu23]

We already beat this horse to death.....if you want to believe such things then you probably should be in Church praying.

[Takumaru]

This is a horse? I thought it was a forum-thread.
Why would you capitalise the 'c' in church?
I don't regard churches as being that important.

Some parapsychologists, paranormal-researchers, and I would even say regular psychologists, have also discovered that praying doesn't necessarily do a whole lot to prevent psychotic-behaviour within an individual. I am sure there are plenty of "terrorists" and "war-mongering cult-followers" who "pray" to "something" (whether they've idolized some book, some symbol, some ideology, some belief, and other such "deities" or equivalent) for the sole purpose of their vengeful and destructive vendetta (i.e.: perhaps like an Ancient Greek praying to Athena to grant them the power to PWN their helpless and possibly innocent victims [with the taking of their wives and girlfriends and fiancées as rewards spoils of war to forcefully screw in many a way]). The point is that these people are praying specifically to, in a sense, become even more "demonic" in their behaviour...

One's mental-health (demonic/malevolent or kind/benevolent) is still not very-well understood even to this very day. Billions of dollars, for DECADES now, have been poured into so-called "research" (for which virtually ALL of it is "fruitless" by the way) into trying to solve the riddle of so-called mental-illness and its causes. I say the important thing for us to do is to prevent ourselves from becoming demonic in our own behaviours. Then maybe it will spread like a "meme" to eliminate that demonic-looking insanity from humanity (and any other sentient-species that may possible be around or exist somewhere nearby if they are in any way interacting amongst us detected or not).
Challenge The Scientific Status Quo on Mental-Illness

Originally Posted by dr wu23

We already beat this horse to death.....if you want to believe such things then you probably should be in Church praying.

[Antrikshaadmi]

In spite of the translations, there is no word in Hebrew equivalent to the English word "demon," nor any word that communicates the same meaning that the term communicates in English as an malevolent being in the service of the devil out to destroy humans. That idea today has been shaped by the imagination of medieval writers and popularized in the modern church in terms of evil beings against which Christians need to wage "spiritual warfare." Yet, the ancient Israelites lived in a world in which that view of "demons" was not part of their culture or way of thinking.

http://www.crivoice.org/demonsot.html

Nevermind that the word "demon" does not appear in the Old Testament, let's assume Christian interpretations for a word that does not exist in Hebrew are correct.

Originally Posted by Antrikshaadmi

But, demons are fallen angels trapped here on Earth and can't fly around in heaven/space.

JUBILEES 5:6 And against the angels whom He had sent upon the earth, He was exceedingly wroth, and He gave commandment to root them out of all their dominion, and He bade us to bind them in the depths of the earth, and 7 behold they are bound in the midst of them, and are (kept) separate. (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

JUDE 6 And the angels who did not keep their own position, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deepest darkness for the judgment of the great Day. (NRSV)

II PETER 2:4 For indeed God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down in chains of darkness into the low regions and delivered them to be kept for the judgment of torment. (Magiera NT Peshitta translation)

This is what happens when you combine Christianity with Ufology.



http://www.jerrypippin.com/UFO_Files_bob_short.htm

[Carol Nistri]

But they may well be demons,arent they the ones that have been fooling and decieving mankind since the beginning? The abduction experience comes to mind.The endless abduction of humans,ever ask an abductee why there abducted time and time again,they dont know,they know next to nothing except that theve been abducted,in some cases they may have had a child,or thought they had a child,its deception I say.

[Takumaru]

Man-kind already deceives itself and each other enough.
Furthermore...what...exactly is a demon ?
A fallen angel ? A malevolent spirit of a once-human ?

I can accept, according to my paradigm, that aliens are possibly or probably just as prone to humans to being spirit-possessed by malevolent entities.

Although I don't particular accept this following description as accurate, according to an e-mail message that a ouija-board-user forward to me from his friend, his description of aliens are that they are demons (frantically put into all caps and lots of exclamation marks mind you).

More objectively though... even an earthly human terrorist or Hitler could be described as a demon as they are in fact often "demonised" in history books and descriptions due to their ... demonic-behaviours/beliefs. All a possible matter of perception (has anybody ever caught a demon by the way ? Are they not super-natural entities ?).

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

But they may well be demons,arent they the ones that have been fooling and decieving mankind since the beginning? The abduction experience comes to mind.The endless abduction of humans,ever ask an abductee why there abducted time and time again,they dont know,they know next to nothing except that theve been abducted,in some cases they may have had a child,or thought they had a child,its deception I say.

[Antrikshaadmi]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

But they may well be demons,arent they the ones that have been fooling and decieving mankind since the beginning? The abduction experience comes to mind.The endless abduction of humans,ever ask an abductee why there abducted time and time again,they dont know,they know next to nothing except that theve been abducted,in some cases they may have had a child,or thought they had a child,its deception I say.

How can they be demons if the word demon didn't exist when Jesus walked the Earth? The word demon dates back to the 14th century AD.

The original mythological sense[of the word demon] is sometimes written dæmon for purposes of distinction.

http://dictionary.reference.com/etymology/demon

The word demon is derived from the Latin word dæmon, which means "spirit". Not "devil".

In that sense, if aliens are spiritual in nature that does not make them malevolent. Highly advanced beings have attained a spiritual enlightenment that most likely rivals their technology for the same reasons that humans pray and monkeys don't. They may indeed be "spirits" because of their capability to defy the laws of physics and because they know many of the answers to great mysteries we have no answers for.

In any case, as I have already stated many times; today's supernatural is tomorrow's supertechnological. Placing beings 1 million or more years ahead of us as a supernatural phenomenon from our perspective whereas they themselves see it as supertechnological. We see them as spirits, they see themselves as a normal being. Two thousand years ago, a virgin having a child was a miracle. Nowadays any virgin can have a child in vitro. Yesterday's miracles are tomorrow's commonplace.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." ~ Clarke's Third Law

[Carol Nistri]

Ill explain but it may mean something only to me.When I first came on the internet years ago I was excited by the thought of meeting like minded people from all over the world.To turn on the computer and be speaking to England or Austrailia or India was a thrill that took me years to get used to.I thought to myself this is going to be great between all of us that have either seen these craft or these beings were going to have this solved or at least confirmed in no time. Wrong,its been years now and theres one stumbling block after another,one blind alley after another.BUT,when I would write the word Aliens,I would twang inside,There was something within me that said it wasnt aliens at all,that I was barking up the wrong tree so to speak.I ignored that feeling thinking that it was just actually typing out the word that I had to get used to. When I came across a piece that they were actually demonic in nature and not aliens at all I was stunned floored and dismayed all at the same time. Were being deceived,of this Im almost certain.

[Antrikshaadmi]

The word dæmon, which is what the word demon represented at the time of Jesus, was used colloquially to mean demigod and not just spirit. A Type 2 civilization and above on the Kardashev scale is the only type of civilization that can travel to our planet and they are also immortal. Making them demigods, with only Christians inserting the word evil in front of spirit to create the modern word demon.



Type 2 and above civilizations are immortal, they are demigods, making them dæmons and not demons. If humans make it to Type 2 we will also be immortal, that does not mean that we will be demonic. Hopefully we'll have learned to stop doing evil by then.