Disclosure 2012

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by starman2003

Nonsense; again it reached the point where you just use invective not counterarguments. Alexander says Roswell was not ET; I'd believe him and his "government knows nothing" line if he proved it was something else. Not an unreasonable demand considering his fantastic insider knowledge...

I would use counter arguments if you had said anything that required it.....but your comment that Colonel Alexander was not credible was not a valid comment from you and mere invective as you just claimed.
IMO anyone who is not biased, as you are, would see that he's far more credible than any pro et insider that you can name.
Tit for tat ...
And btw...he doesn't have to prove anything about what else it might be because no one has ever proved it was aliens to begin with and his arguments simply question the alien scenario and he has some pretty good reasons like Dr Teller who trumps anyone that supports Roswell imo.

[Carol Nistri]

Dr.Wu,have you read page 251 yet? Its titled Secret Aircraft-the Flying Triangle. I do wish you would read this chaper and give your take on what Alexander says. In that chapter Alexander says the triangle is NOT ours.Yet,NIDS did an investigation and said it WAS ours.Ill wait until you read that part.

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

I would use counter arguments if you had said anything that required it.....but your comment that Colonel Alexander was not credible was not a valid comment from you and mere invective as you just claimed.

Absolutely not. IMO dismissal of an ET Roswell without providing a specific alternative--which an insider should be able to do--invites suspicion.

IMO anyone who is not biased, as you are, would see that he's far more credible than any pro et insider that you can name.

Just because his credentials seem impeccable doesn't mean he's telling the truth. Government people have always had to conceal and misinform in pursuit of policies.

And btw...he doesn't have to prove anything about what else it might be because no one has ever proved it was aliens to begin with

But there is a substantial amount of credible testimony pointing to an ET Roswell, Kecksburg etc. If Alexander is such a great knowledgable insider, it should be easy for him to ferret out proof (verifiable documentation, physical remains) for nonET explanations--MOGUL, satellites, whatever. It's suspicious, and instructive that he doesn't do this. IMO it's because 1) such evidence never existed and 2) if he came down in favor of a specific explanation, KDR Rudiak and others would rip it up, and his whole thesis with it.

and his arguments simply question the alien scenario and he has some pretty good reasons like Dr Teller who trumps anyone that supports Roswell imo.

Just because Teller denied involvement means little. If during WWII someone had asked him if he was involved in a-bomb development he would've denied that too. Or, just because he was a renowned scientist wouldn't have automatically gotten him in the loop.

[Carol Nistri]

I agree Starman.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by starman2003

Absolutely not. IMO dismissal of an ET Roswell without providing a specific alternative--which an insider should be able to do--invites suspicion.




Just because his credentials seem impeccable doesn't mean he's telling the truth. Government people have always had to conceal and misinform in pursuit of policies.



But there is a substantial amount of credible testimony pointing to an ET Roswell, Kecksburg etc. If Alexander is such a great knowledgable insider, it should be easy for him to ferret out proof (verifiable documentation, physical remains) for nonET explanations--MOGUL, satellites, whatever. It's suspicious, and instructive that he doesn't do this. IMO it's because 1) such evidence never existed and 2) if he came down in favor of a specific explanation, KDR Rudiak and others would rip it up, and his whole thesis with it.



Just because Teller denied involvement means little. If during WWII someone had asked him if he was involved in a-bomb development he would've denied that too. Or, just because he was a renowned scientist wouldn't have automatically gotten him in the loop.

It invites suspicion for hard core believers like yourself...yes.

And again doesn't mean any of those involved with Roswell who believe the et tales are telling the truth either.

The fact he was not able to find this ET truth speaks volumes imo...again you just don't like that since you are an eth believer. If someone doesn't believe the way you do or provide an answer you like they are lying...ya that's rational and objective....not.

It means a great deal that Teller says he was not called in and again it isn't something you want to hear.

You are very biased ..it's that simple.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Dr.Wu,have you read page 251 yet? Its titled Secret Aircraft-the Flying Triangle. I do wish you would read this chaper and give your take on what Alexander says. In that chapter Alexander says the triangle is NOT ours.Yet,NIDS did an investigation and said it WAS ours.Ill wait until you read that part.

So what......? They disagree......that's par for the course for the ufo enigma. It says nothing about his credibility or if he's lying.

[Carol Nistri]

Well thats just it Dr.Wu,this book is out to prove that the government isnt hiding anything regarding ufos,isnt it? All Im saying is that discrepency between Alexander and Nids is significant.Here we have a guy thats basically saying that if HE didnt know about it you can bet that its ET.I learned to trust NIDS and there findings,btw Vallee is on the board of that group. And in all my years following this thankless subject I have read more than a few times that the Black Tri could really do things no conventional aircraft could do,ie take off at warp speed,drop like a stone as in the Belgium case,so whos right,Alexander or NIDS with Vallee on its board? Conumdrum eh? The book UFOs myths cospiracies and realities is not for the faint of heart.Its a frustrating book to say the least.

Btw,isnt it interesting that along with Marcel of Roswell Jim Pennsiton also saw what was called a type of hyrogliphics on the craft.Thats a little more than interesting.

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

And again doesn't mean any of those involved with Roswell who believe the et tales are telling the truth either.

Oh sure, in addition to outright denial, there's also disinformation.

The fact he was not able to find this ET truth speaks volumes imo

This is so naive, considering the extremely high level of classification that would be/was given any proof of advanced ET; even if he knew, he'd most likely have to keep quiet.

...again you just don't like that since you are an eth believer. If someone doesn't believe the way you do or provide an answer you like they are lying...ya that's rational and objective....not.

This is absurd. Above, I pointed out that a very well informed/connected insider should be able to find proof of a nonET event. Any documentation or actual material pertaining to a MOGUL array from Roswell should be accessible to such an insider; same would be true for any earthly '40s device, long since considered obsolete and declassified. If Alexander or anybody produced this evidence, I'd have no choice but to accept his "government doesn't know" line. There would be no basis to think the government has proof of ET. Why doesn't mr "Great Insider" present evidence for a specific nonET explanation? Evidently such evidence doesn't exist, and he knows that if he tried, the real Roswell experts would shoot it down, and his whole thesis with it.

It means a great deal that Teller says he was not called in and again it isn't something you want to hear.

All it means is that we have his claim that he wasn't. Again, if during WWII someone had asked him if he was building an a-bomb he'd deny it.

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Its a frustrating book to say the least.

Shouldn't have wasted your time and money.

[Carol Nistri]

Im glad I bought the book Starman,it puts me one book closer to um,ummm never mind..