Disclosure 2012

[Carol Nistri]

Do you know what gets me Dr.Wu that someone like yourself whos about the best read person on the subject Ive ever come across wouldnt think this thru and come up with the book is bogus,now dont get your liver in a quiver let me explain.Fist and foremost the government including the military are privy to footage and written reports that we civilians are not.So can you imagine a government thats bent on preserving the United States and its people at all costs completley and totally ignoring reports from its own people along with possible footage of a ufo sighting,have they shared those sightings with us? No they havent,thats a cover up all by itself.If there not concerned with ufos and such why not let that pilots sighting become public knowledge,why not release the footage that a military pilot took of a ufo?Thats a cover-up as far as Im concerned.The government and Project Bluebook ended with Ufos represent no danger to the United States,thats not the exact quote but it wont be hard to find.Either the governement has made up its mind or its resigned itself to the fact that they whoever the heck they are can come and go as they please and we wont be able to do a thing about it.But according to Alexander HE would know about it,NO Mr.Alexander you wouldnt ,as a matter of fact you would be the last person to be told.

[Skeptical]

Carol you are making the assumption that all of this exclusive information the government supposedly has points to the reality of UFOs as alien spacecraft. What you refuse to see is that all of this additional information may support what the government has been telling us all along - that there is really nothing to this.

You assume people are lying, you assume people are hiding something - and why? Simply because what they are telling you doesn't agree with some theory you came up with - a theory that has no physical evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Again, it may be fun to imagine some shadowy group who has been holding out on the people of the world for its own unknown purposes. But I tend to think that no government, U.S. or otherwise, is in possession of a smoking gun on the UFO phenomenon.

You say you want the truth but the reality is, you want your truth. Anything to the contrary becomes disinformation and conspiracy.

S

[Carol Nistri]

Youve known me for years Skep,so,what is my truth?

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Well thats just it Dr.Wu,this book is out to prove that the government isnt hiding anything regarding ufos,isnt it? All Im saying is that discrepency between Alexander and Nids is significant.Here we have a guy thats basically saying that if HE didnt know about it you can bet that its ET.I learned to trust NIDS and there findings,btw Vallee is on the board of that group. And in all my years following this thankless subject I have read more than a few times that the Black Tri could really do things no conventional aircraft could do,ie take off at warp speed,drop like a stone as in the Belgium case,so whos right,Alexander or NIDS with Vallee on its board? Conumdrum eh? The book UFOs myths cospiracies and realities is not for the faint of heart.Its a frustrating book to say the least.

Btw,isnt it interesting that along with Marcel of Roswell Jim Pennsiton also saw what was called a type of hyrogliphics on the craft.Thats a little more than interesting.

He's not trying to prove anything just telling it the way he saw it while in the govt. and I see no reason at all to think he's lying.
Dr Vallee is a friend of his and even wrote one of the forwards and said they don't agree on all aspects of this so why should he agree with NIDS on everything? We don't agree on all of this. Again it means nothing.

[Skeptical]

Your truth has to include alien spacecraft or demons or stealth blimps, Carol. What if the truth is we have been mistaken or fooled all these years and that UFOs are really and truly 100% explainable in prosaic terms? There is no way you could accept that. It would fly totally in the face of the mythology you've bought into all these many years.

I've often said that non-believers would be much less impacted by the revelation the aliens do exist than believers would be by the revelation that they do not.

S

[Carol Nistri]

Im not at all sure which of the above I believe in,however I feel strongly that no prosaic terms are forthcoming.Theres been far to many sightings worldwide for me to believe that any prosaic explanation will do.

[Carol Nistri]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

He's not trying to prove anything just telling it the way he saw it while in the govt. and I see no reason at all to think he's lying.
Dr Vallee is a friend of his and even wrote one of the forwards and said they don't agree on all aspects of this so why should he agree with NIDS on everything? We don't agree on all of this. Again it means nothing.

Its EXACTLY that hes friends with Vallee that I question what I question Dr.Wu,dont you think that the Black Tri would be easiest of all to explain.With him not knowing and with NIDS having looked into it I should think that Dr.Alexander would buy into NIDS rather than say it wasnt ours,if you want to know what I suspect Ill tell ya,Dr.Alexander has convinced me he believes hes an insider.I also think that this same Dr.Alexander knows full well that NIDS is right on the money but because hes an insider hes going to play the game of a Black Tri being one of theirs not ours.In other words hes going along with making the public believe that a Black Tri is from another world,I dont think it is,I think its very much from this world.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by starman2003

Oh sure, in addition to outright denial, there's also disinformation.



This is so naive, considering the extremely high level of classification that would be/was given any proof of advanced ET; even if he knew, he'd most likely have to keep quiet.



This is absurd. Above, I pointed out that a very well informed/connected insider should be able to find proof of a nonET event. Any documentation or actual material pertaining to a MOGUL array from Roswell should be accessible to such an insider; same would be true for any earthly '40s device, long since considered obsolete and declassified. If Alexander or anybody produced this evidence, I'd have no choice but to accept his "government doesn't know" line. There would be no basis to think the government has proof of ET. Why doesn't mr "Great Insider" present evidence for a specific nonET explanation? Evidently such evidence doesn't exist, and he knows that if he tried, the real Roswell experts would shoot it down, and his whole thesis with it.




All it means is that we have his claim that he wasn't. Again, if during WWII someone had asked him if he was building an a-bomb he'd deny it.

We've gone over these same arguments before.
IMO everything you said there comes from a biased position and not one of clear objective thinking (which seems to be a hallmark of fanatical eth people these days..). If he came out and supported Roswell ,etc you' d be kissing his butt and sayng what a great book it is etc ...etc...
It's that simple and it's based on your personal beliefs and nothng else.
Why don't you simply admit this and move on?

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Do you know what gets me Dr.Wu that someone like yourself whos about the best read person on the subject Ive ever come across wouldnt think this thru and come up with the book is bogus,now dont get your liver in a quiver let me explain.Fist and foremost the government including the military are privy to footage and written reports that we civilians are not.So can you imagine a government thats bent on preserving the United States and its people at all costs completley and totally ignoring reports from its own people along with possible footage of a ufo sighting,have they shared those sightings with us? No they havent,thats a cover up all by itself.If there not concerned with ufos and such why not let that pilots sighting become public knowledge,why not release the footage that a military pilot took of a ufo?Thats a cover-up as far as Im concerned.The government and Project Bluebook ended with Ufos represent no danger to the United States,thats not the exact quote but it wont be hard to find.Either the governement has made up its mind or its resigned itself to the fact that they whoever the heck they are can come and go as they please and we wont be able to do a thing about it.But according to Alexander HE would know about it,NO Mr.Alexander you wouldnt ,as a matter of fact you would be the last person to be told.

Reread the book it's obvious you missed his point and everything about it that's relevant regarding intel and collection of it and how the govt works.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Skeptical

Carol you are making the assumption that all of this exclusive information the government supposedly has points to the reality of UFOs as alien spacecraft. What you refuse to see is that all of this additional information may support what the government has been telling us all along - that there is really nothing to this.

You assume people are lying, you assume people are hiding something - and why? Simply because what they are telling you doesn't agree with some theory you came up with - a theory that has no physical evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Again, it may be fun to imagine some shadowy group who has been holding out on the people of the world for its own unknown purposes. But I tend to think that no government, U.S. or otherwise, is in possession of a smoking gun on the UFO phenomenon.

You say you want the truth but the reality is, you want your truth. Anything to the contrary becomes disinformation and conspiracy.

S

Exactly Skep......and the hard core believers like Carol and Star don't want to hear anything that contradicts their beliefs and it automatically becomes lies ....it's that simple.