The UFO Book Corner

[Sheephogan]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

(Btw,Im really enjoying the book on the Skinwalker ranch,Im to the part where the Gormans have sold the place to Bigelow and NIDS,Im also enjoying sleeping with my head under the covers..)

Good! The only safe place is under the covers! *giggle*

[Sheephogan]

Carol, the 'skin walker ranch' isn't the only place that is alive with these experiences. If you and hubby ever get the chance to head West again, spook-ville can be found in the Northern corner of the Great Navajo Rez too. Skin Walking is actually a religious experience there. Ummm.. don't expect back-up from the local authorities, many of the tribal police refuse to go there.. PS.. not kidding..

[Carol Nistri]

Oh I know,thats made clear early on in the book when it says tribal members refuse to step foot on the ranch.Its a really good book. Will do you believe that all of the killing of cattle and cattle mutilations are done by the Skinwalker? Theres got to be lots and lots of Skinwalkers then,I got to the part where both the father and son were watching Predator and they both said at the same time that thats what they saw,meaning the skinwalker.Predator is one of my all time favorite movies,it was so different.

Btw,I had to laugh outloud when that blond stranger came to ask Gorman if he could mediatate on the ranch,Gorman was very hesitant but the stranger kept insisting,the stranger won and started to mediatate when all of a sudden a Skinwalker attacked him,the following scene had me chuckling to myself.I wonder what ever happend to that guy,the last thing Gorman saw of him he was hightailing it out of that place.


(Ive got an ex-son-in-law that lives in Utah but Id rather stick needles in my eyes then ask him anything about the Skinwalker ranch.)

[Sheephogan]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Oh I know,thats made clear early on in the book when it says tribal members refuse to step foot on the ranch.Its a really good book. Will do you believe that all of the killing of cattle and cattle mutilations are done by the Skinwalker? Theres got to be lots and lots of Skinwalkers then,I got to the part where both the father and son were watching Predator and they both said at the same time that thats what they saw,meaning the skinwalker.Predator is one of my all time favorite movies,it was so different.

Btw,I had to laugh outloud when that blond stranger came to ask Gorman if he could mediatate on the ranch,Gorman was very hesitant but the stranger kept insisting,the stranger won and started to mediatate when all of a sudden a Skinwalker attacked him,the following scene had me chuckling to myself.I wonder what ever happend to that guy,the last thing Gorman saw of him he was hightailing it out of that place.

I'm really not the one to ask about these things, they happen ALL the time to me in any area that has a 'polar' attribute to it. I spend most my time keeping them away and not intruding into 'my space'. I am relatively certain they are a manifestation involving the pineal gland or third eye, and are therefor harmless physically ~ other than the shock , awe and terror that the imagery can cause.

I did have one encounter up on the Blackfoot reservation in Idaho with numbers of campers (all family and friends) that witnessed the incident. It was a life and death struggle between a very large moose and a bipedal creature of formidable stature. It took place on a tree line around the camp in the shadows of the campfire flickering. Trees were upset turned down and broken, the Moose was in death throws taking his last breath. I was worried (afraid) its energy would turn on me next and I opened fire at the two legger with my revolver and at the exact same time my father in-law found his saddle gun and did the same from behind me.. everything retreated deeper into the forest and all became quiet.... In the morning we searched in the light for some evidence of the battle and found the remains of a moose - just bleached bones, had to have been there many years in the under growth.

So, you mention predation on cattle by creatures like this? Well, I don't think our observations were real-time.. I think it was imagery left over from the struggle and violence and this apparition was connected to the land. I don't think the cattle are killed by this sort of thing. Like Alexander points out in his book, the investigator, tested the lab he took samples to and found his control specimen received the same results from the lab that did the testing. Predation, the lab always determined the cause as predation... So, forensics, at least with that lab was unreliable.

The occurrences of "skin walkers" appears to me, to be supernatural in nature and result in no physical harm in real-time..

[mabelobe]

Challenge to science by Vallee among others!

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by mabelobe

Challenge to science by Vallee among others!

The second book by Vallee with an academic approach ...but I would recommend his later ones like Invisible College and Dimensions.


interview.....
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...a_vallee03.htm

[Carol Nistri]

Will this is whats confusing to me,You said regarding Alexanders book

"Like Alexander points out in his book, the investigator, tested the lab he took samples to and found his control specimen received the same results from the lab that did the testing. Predation, the lab always determined the cause as predation... So, forensics, at least with that lab was unreliable"

This part has me on the alert,this is america not south africa the number of animals that could bring down a full grown range cow are very very limited.I wont say bears since I dont know if bears are involved,but the area where the animal was killed should be Covered with bear tracks and signs of a struggle between both cow and bear,there isnt any sign of bear tracks,and how do they remove the blood the area should also have traces at least of blood,theres none. Cougar Catamount Mountain Lion there all the same animal,unless theres proof of an animal this large living in areas that have had cattle mutilations you can skip this one,but even if it were a big cat the same thing would apply,there have to be paw prints,theres got to be bite marks on the animal.A cougar bites to the throat area,thats the last place a mutilated cow shows damage.To me anyway its crystal clear that these animals,these predators didnt kill these animals,so what predator are you referring to thats large and strong enough to bring down a full grown healthy range cow?

[Sheephogan]

Carol, perhaps this passage will help in Alexanders own words, BTW, I talked with "Gabe" at length on the telephone years ago, he only mentioned natural causes, lightening and predation as cause of death. AND he stated nothing about UFO's or the like, continuing that LMH in her reporting embellished and exaggerated all of his remarks relating to that.

Investigation of the mutilation cases proved to be frustrating for Gabe. He sent many samples to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI). The response was always the same—predation. In order to test the veracity and thoroughness of the CBI, Gabe ran his own experiment. He and a rancher killed a cow intentionally and cut it up using their knives. They then sent samples to the CBI for analysis. The response, of course, was predators. It was at that point he knew he could not trust the “scientific evidence.�

Alexander Ph.D., John B. (2011-02-15). UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities (Kindle Locations 5699-5703). Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

[Sheephogan]

Utah has some very big mountain lions fully capable of bringing down cattle, but the 'sign' would be unmistakable imo. Bear's? Doesn't seem likely to me.

[Carol Nistri]

Ok I see,so the lab received an animal that was clearly killed by humans yet the still said predation,thats exactly what the ranchers have come up against.Its why theres a mystery at all,today with dna testing they should be able to pinpoint the "predator" but I notice time and time again that they wont do that all they do is to give the general term Predation. Phooey says I ,Im with the ranchers on this one,its crystal clear that something other than the friendly neighborhood predator is at hand here.