The Truth On Rendlesham?

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

We do try to discuss current sightings....but, as usual, the resident skeptics quickly label them as....chinese lanterns, swamp gas, blimps, satellites, meteors....and just about anything BUT a possible alien ufo!!!!The discussion gets shot down before it gets off the ground.
I pretty much just sit back and read more than post because it is always the same old thing. I miss the lively debates we used to have though.

Yes, I know. Of some here, I found one alien to be two flower buds, a bigfoot to be nothing more than broken tree branches swinging in the wind, a convoy of UFOs to be nothing more than a likely flock of geese and another to be balloons released at a wedding. And please spare me the lights in the sky -- especially where 3 form a triangle (what else could they form other than a straight line?).

Again, I don't wish to hijack this thread. But it would be great if someone would start a thread about a recent case of substance that obviously isn't a hoax or misidentification. It would be fun discussing something recent whose trail hasn't gone cold and for which witnesses are still alive.

[Carol Nistri]

I think this particular board has proven over and over again that we are as skeptical as the story allows.If its a video then weve also been known to lambast it,if its an abduction story same thing,if its a far out tale with no witnesses were the first to point it out.The thing that binds us all is that were willing to believe that aliens from a distant place have found this joint.If theve been here for eons so be it,if they found us in the last century then thats even better.I have had several threads whereby I wondered if they went aliens at all but demons,I got shouted down.Shrugs,so what I say,at least we all know that something strange is occuring in our skies,thats good enough for me.For now anyway.

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

I think this particular board has proven over and over again that we are as skeptical as the story allows.If its a video then weve also been known to lambast it,if its an abduction story same thing,if its a far out tale with no witnesses were the first to point it out.The thing that binds us all is that were willing to believe that aliens from a distant place have found this joint.If theve been here for eons so be it,if they found us in the last century then thats even better.I have had several threads whereby I wondered if they went aliens at all but demons,I got shouted down.Shrugs,so what I say,at least we all know that something strange is occuring in our skies,thats good enough for me.For now anyway.

We're working a tough crowd is all, Carol !

[Carol Nistri]

lol! Well thats allright by me,a tough crowd is made tough by many many failures,thats good in a way.

[Miss Deetective]

Carol....the problem with the demon theory...is that first you must prove that demons really exist....plus demons belong in the religion arena more than the ETH or EDH arena, imo.
If you can show how demons and ufos are connected (with some evidence to back it up) then you might have a real possibility to kick around.

[Carol Nistri]

Thats just it Dee,IF the demon theory is true and IF aliens are not true than this is the way I see it.First you make the Humans believe that Aliens are here and visiting our planet,stealing our womenfolk the whole nine yards,but why do that? We have to think like they do but it seems to me that the time is right.We who used to believe in a Hevenly Father arent so sure anymore,I do believe that that non belief cracks the door open if only slightly,but with each passing decade that crack becomes a tad more wide.Whats in it for the demons or whatever is behind the demons is anyones guess but it seems to me that by so doing the demon or whoever is behind the demons tries to put themselves on the same footing as God,its not going to happen but perhaps it amuses itself this way.

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Thats just it Dee,IF the demon theory is true and IF aliens are not true than this is the way I see it.First you make the Humans believe that Aliens are here and visiting our planet,stealing our womenfolk the whole nine yards,but why do that? We have to think like they do but it seems to me that the time is right.We who used to believe in a Hevenly Father arent so sure anymore,I do believe that that non belief cracks the door open if only slightly,but with each passing decade that crack becomes a tad more wide.Whats in it for the demons or whatever is behind the demons is anyones guess but it seems to me that by so doing the demon or whoever is behind the demons tries to put themselves on the same footing as God,its not going to happen but perhaps it amuses itself this way.

I agree with MD that it would be good if you could establish fundamentals for your model of reality.

Try explain why you believe demons exist for real. (If it's in the Bible is not enough!)

Show how aliens (UFOs/ETs) and demons are one and the same.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

I think this particular board has proven over and over again that we are as skeptical as the story allows.If its a video then weve also been known to lambast it,if its an abduction story same thing,if its a far out tale with no witnesses were the first to point it out.The thing that binds us all is that were willing to believe that aliens from a distant place have found this joint.If theve been here for eons so be it,if they found us in the last century then thats even better.I have had several threads whereby I wondered if they went aliens at all but demons,I got shouted down.Shrugs,so what I say,at least we all know that something strange is occuring in our skies,thats good enough for me.For now anyway.

I feel it is important to separate fantasy from "reality." Without this dichotomy of tales, it would be impossible to learn anything meaningful. I think we already have enough ignorance about ufos, aliens, demons and deities. We need to separate the mother goose tales from the encounters people are experiencing in the air and on the ground if we are to see past the confusion.

Right now I feel that most of the reliable accounts come from pilots. Unfortunately the government apparently muzzles the military and the commercial pilots who wish to remain commercial pilots have learned to keep their mouths shut about such topics. Just about everything found on youtube is pure crap.

Whereas I do not label myself a skeptic in the sense that I disbelieve in ufos and the like, I feel the need to require evidence which helps to support the story, photo or video. By evidence I mean credible witnesses, credible documentation and credible circumstances. In a time when much can be misidentified and/or hoaxed, much scrutiny is required to weed out the crap. I do not apologize for noticing that aliens in the photo are in fact flower buds, seen slightly out of focus. Nor do I apologize for noticing that claimed bigfoot acrobatics in the background of a film is really nothing more than an optical illusion formed by broken tree branches swaying in the wind. Who here really wants to believe that flower buds are aliens or that the dark space between broken tree branches swinging in the wind are bigfoots playing? Those who cry foul to this kind of data review need a checkup from the neck up.

If what one sees in the sky can reasonably be explained as a flock of birds or a bunch of released balloons, what sense does it make to conclude ufo's? I would expect reasonable people to require something extraordinary in an observation prior to jumping to an extraordinary conclusion. For example, have the objects disappear in midflilght or zoom off at incredible speed. Or have them all start forming deliberate patterns meant for recognition of intelligence. Have a reason for ruling out the non extraordinary. To do less is incompetent. JMHO

[dejarma]

Originally Posted by Darrell

I feel it is important to separate fantasy from "reality."

how do we do that, Sherlock?? If we could separate fantasy from reality then the ufo enigma would be no more>> it would be solved one way or the other

[orangekea]

Well you guys, within topic context isn't it true that this topic shows there are plenty of earthly explanations (some mutually exclusive) creating the illusion/fantasy that Rendlesham has been debunked.

Yet when you study them in detail, the debunk fails, and Rendlesham remains unexplained. (This makes it a good case, who cares if it is old.)


orangekea