The Truth On Rendlesham?

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by DrDil

Good to see ya here Dr Dil.....we've missed your input on all matters ufological.
If you are implying that the lighthouse can be seen in the forest and hence by the witnesses involved that was also my understanding. I believe it is also on a 5 second rotational basis.
Is that what you mean?

[Darrell]

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the shade built into the lighthouse glass part on the forest side (so that the light does not shine into the forest) has been evaluated by investigators standing in the place in the forest where the beam from the craft was allegedly encountered. The beam was not seeable from there. This was demonstrated in a tv program on Rendlesham (I think UFO HUNTERS). In this case exact angles were measured as to where the light from the light house could and could not be observed.

And btw, it would be physically impossible for light traveling horizontally through a thin forest to reorient itself vertically such as to appear to beam down from something above, AS THE WITNESSES CLAIMED. And seeing that the forest was quite thick, it would be difficult for a light beam to penetrate far even horizontally, let alone change directions and turn blue.

Realistically, I have to give the debunkers a F minus on the lighthouse explanation. Light shade blocks the event location. Forest blocks light penetration. Light orientation 90 degrees out of reported alignment. Light blue (with red center on the ground) instead of white. Just how wrong do the debunkers have to be on their facts before skeptics will relent? Really!

"from eyewitnesses on 26 December

The Scottish researcher James Easton succeeded in obtaining the original witness statements made for Col. Halt by Fred A. Buran, 81st Security Police Squadron, Airman First Class John Burroughs, 81st LE, Airman Edward N. Cabansag, 81st Security Police Squadron, Master-Sergeant J. D. Chandler, 81st Security Police Squadron and Staff-Sergeant Jim Penniston, 81st Security Police Squadron. These documents are now in the public domain and scans of them are available on Ian Ridpath's website.

These documents describe the sightings of strange lights. Penniston, for instance, states that "directly to the east [of East Gate] about 11⁄2 miles [2.4km] in a large wooded area...a large yellow glowing light was emitting above the trees. In the center of the lighted area directly in the center ground level, there was a red light blinking on and off 5 to 10 sec intervals. And a blue light that was being for the most part steady."

[DrDil]

Originally Posted by Darrell

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the shade built into the lighthouse glass part on the forest side (so that the light does not shine into the forest) has been evaluated by investigators standing in the place in the forest where the beam from the craft was allegedly encountered. The beam was not seeable from there. This was demonstrated in a tv program on Rendlesham (I think UFO HUNTERS). In this case exact angles were measured as to where the light from the light house could and could not be observed.

And btw, it would be physically impossible for light traveling horizontally through a thin forest to reorient itself vertically such as to appear to beam down from something above, AS THE WITNESSES CLAIMED. And seeing that the forest was quite thick, it would be difficult for a light beam to penetrate far even horizontally, let alone change directions and turn blue.

Realistically, I have to give the debunkers a F minus on the lighthouse explanation. Light shade blocks the event location. Forest blocks light penetration. Light orientation 90 degrees out of reported alignment. Light blue (with red center on the ground) instead of white. Just how wrong do the debunkers have to be on their facts before skeptics will relent? Really!

‘UFO Hunters,� meh!!

Forest?

In Halt’s own description he states the farmhouse could be seen right in front of them with the flashing UFO almost in line with it.

That would be the farmhouse in the image I posted.

Originally Posted by Darrell

What I find usually happens next is a bunch of self appointed intellectual types attacking the story from all aspects, rationalizing all sorts of alternate non-extraordinary explanations in a rabid exercise of debunking, motivated by the fact that they happen to disbelieve (prejudge) in the possibility that the story might be true. They usually go so far as to outright ignore even testing or investigating the data presented. And some of the alternate explanations they come up with are so outrageous as to be downright laughable; and the so called skeptics that come up with such debunking attempts should be literally laughed out of the community. There should be consequences for incompetence!

So ... I expect even more from the skeptics than I do from the story originators. I expect them to first show that they are aware of what the relevant data is and have all their facts straight before they attempt to debunk it. I also expect them to have credibility as debunkers, to pose reasonable counter arguments and to consider the combined probability of all their ifs, ands and buts adding up to a more likely explanation than that offered by the story originator. As you might imagine, many skeptics disappoint me.

I trusty the irony isn’t wasted on you......

[dr wu23]

There seems to be some confusion about whether the lighthouse can be seen in the woods and in the area where the witnesses were. I have always read that it is and that even Halt said he could see it but that wasn't what they wre describing in the woods.
Perhaps we need someone from that actual area who's been there to suss this out. Also there some question about some type of back shield on the light....but was it on the lighthouse back at the time of the incident?

[Miss Deetective]

I am not sure why the lighthouse is even an issue in this case. Those men were stationed there, they were surely aware of the lighthouse!!! It is very disturbing to me to think our military would be so stupid as to confuse a known landmark with an event that is outside of the norm!!! I think they are much much smarter than that!!!
I hate it when skeptics would rather paint our military as idiots rather than admit the possibility that an event could be of alien origins.

[Carol Nistri]

If that shield wasnt there you can bet there would be some very angry neighbors of that Lighthouse,they dont shine inward,they shine outwards so the ships at sea can see them. What the sense of having a lighthouse shine its lights One hundred and eighty degrees,taint none.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

There seems to be some confusion about whether the lighthouse can be seen in the woods and in the area where the witnesses were. I have always read that it is and that even Halt said he could see it but that wasn't what they wre describing in the woods.
Perhaps we need someone from that actual area who's been there to suss this out. Also there some question about some type of back shield on the light....but was it on the lighthouse back at the time of the incident?

According to the witness used in the show, he stated that the back shield was put in place when the lighthouse was built. Thus it was always there.

They did that (someone from the actual area) on the show I mentioned. A witness of the reddish glow near the farm house laid out where he was and where the RED glow appeared. The investigators then made a scale model of the scenario and tried to get the simulated lighthouse light get reflected by the farmhouse windows for an alternate debunking explanation. Just didn't happen. The alignments did not permit the lighthouse explanation to work in accordance with witness testimony. And yes, I believe that Halt did indeed state that what he was observing was definitely NOT the lighthouse.

Oh, by the way, it was also reported that during the time of the red glow near the farmhouse, all the farmhouse animals were acting strangely and being unusually noisy. Now how would lighthouse lights cause that? Hmmm .... (just so much wrong with the lighthouse debunk attempt)

You might find this interesting:

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/...dlesham+Forest+...

[Carol Nistri]

Yea Darrell!

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

I am not sure why the lighthouse is even an issue in this case. Those men were stationed there, they were surely aware of the lighthouse!!! It is very disturbing to me to think our military would be so stupid as to confuse a known landmark with an event that is outside of the norm!!! I think they are much much smarter than that!!!
I hate it when skeptics would rather paint our military as idiots rather than admit the possibility that an event could be of alien origins.

I agree. Apparently skeptics/debunkers think us all very stupid should we report anything that goes against their perceptions of reality. How else does one come up with such idiotic alternate explanations for aliens outside a landed space craft as "marsh gas" or the experience of actually touching a space craft as nothing more than misidentifying a lighthouse beam that doesn't even shine into the spot of the event?

[dr wu23]

It's clear from Dr Dil's pic it clearly is visible and others who live there have said you can see the lighthouse from that area...so imo there is disagreement on that depending on who you talk to or what article one reads and perhaps it needs to be settled by a third independent party with no bias one way or the other.

But I don't support the lighthouse theory either but it was just one light in a series of chain events in the debuker explanations. Obviously those that support the alien scenario dismiss that possibility.
I do think something odd happened but we simply cannot say it was space aliens. It remains unknown.
As far as touching the 'craft' I think that is unrelaible info since that person also claims he met aliens much later under hypnosis and even Halt thinks he was given drugs in the debriefing which if true makes his testimony very unreliable imo.
Also Halt claims he was never debriefed by his superiors. I find that very strange since one would think the base commander would really want to know what he saw out there...if it was a real incursion by unknown beings or even a foreign technology.