Phil Corso

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

If you were capable of following this thread correctly, you would know I was speaking of self awareness and the need to not rely on religion as a crutch.
But since YOU love to bring up Billy Meier.....you need to go back and read all my posts about that case.....cause I never said any such thing about space brothers here to save us!!! Oh wait..I suppose you are trying to be funny.....it's getting old and I don't find it funny at all.

And then some people substitute belief in aliens for religion and that becomes their 'crutch'.
If you don't have a sense of humor....it just ain't funny.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by starman2003

A tidy sum from a best seller was no motive? Or, patriotism, believe it or not, if any colleague convinced him of a need to muck up UFOlogy.

He couldn't know in advance that it would sell well. Most UFO books do not. He was also an old man, such that making money wouldn't be much of an incentive. And to think that he purposely tried to discredit UFO convictions with a book revealing information about them is absurd and illogical.

Friedman doubts we need corso to make the case for that; indeed his real purpose may have been to make crashes look less credible.

Does Friedman do all of your thinking for you?

Almost certainly a waste of time. They've been trying for decades already.

Actually, I think just the opposite. There is a rising tide as one by one other countries (Britian, France, Belgium, ... ) release much of what they know. The pressure mounts for the USA to do the same.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Darrell

He couldn't know in advance that it would sell well. Most UFO books do not. He was also an old man, such that making money wouldn't be much of an incentive. And to think that he purposely tried to discredit UFO convictions with a book revealing information about them is absurd and illogical.

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I tend to agree with you in that it really doesn't make much sense he 'needed' the money at that point on his life or that this was some disinfo ruse yet there are inconsistencies, wrong dates and time frames, people named in various places in the book that were not in those positions that Corso claimed and for me the biggest one that no one has ever come forward to say they knew Corso then and that he did have these contacts. We are to assume that he broke silence yet none of the civilian people he worked with ever did..? That bothers me.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

I tend to agree with you in that it really doesn't make much sense he 'needed' the money at that point on his life or that this was some disinfo ruse yet there are inconsistencies, wrong dates and time frames, people named in various places in the book that were not in those positions that Corso claimed and for me the biggest one that no one has ever come forward to say they knew Corso then and that he did have these contacts. We are to assume that he broke silence yet none of the civilian people he worked with ever did..? That bothers me.

Yes, those are real concerns. My assumption for wrong dates and time frames is that the old guy never intended to write this book until persuaded to do so by his kids. Thus he kept no notes (away from the work place, which would have been a security violation) and remembered things very imperfectly in his elderly state.

I'm not really concerned that no one else came forward. Look at how the people are treated that do! I think it takes a great deal of courage and personal fortitude to do so, unless one is crazy. Think what Philip himself would be suffering right now were he still alive.

Thus I view his claims as more pieces of the big puzzle being furnished to the public. Like with Rendlesham, there will most likely be parts of the story more credible than others. Its what we infer from all that we have, counting the perfect and the imperfect together, that counts IMHO.

[Nimue]

The Day After Roswell was one of the first books in the UFO field that I read. Since then, I've read it a few times. So anyhow, I was thinking...

Since so much animosity and speculation exists around this particularly fringe topic, why would anyone admit to claims Phil Corso may have made? I mean seriously, if you were a high ranking official with a future in America's armed forces, and a skeptic or UFO nutter came sniffing around looking for you to corroborate a story....would you? Of course not, particularly if those people still felt that they might suffer retribution should they violate their non-disclosure oath. Or they might fear ridicule not just for themselves, but their family also. Regardless of whether or not they were still in the military or not.

Furthermore, if there is a gag order or disinfo being laid out about this particular topic, it would be an easy thing indeed to falsify information to make Corso appear to be disingenuous. After all, all those inventors who thought they had reached Eureka all on their own, would learn their genius was drip fed to them. That would suck. Talk about what an ego crusher that would be!

I'm not sure it is logical to discount a man's entire testimony simply because no one else is willing to stick their neck out and say "oh yeah, he's telling the truth", as though that would really make any difference on one's thinking of the matter. Indeed, it should not, for we all know that anyone who came forward would have been discredited and dragged through the mud just like Corso was, or Mack, or any other reputable professional who dared to speak on such a ridiculous idea like UFO's and aliens.

I don't really think people are interested in the truth necessarily. At least not the majority. Instead they are more interested in being entertained and then putting forth their own opinion on the material presented as if they themselves were some kind of expert and qualified to call someone else a liar. They are just looking for something to fill up their time. Self-important conceit. We are all guilty of it. Myself included. It's an interesting and diverting topic - that you can scoff and deny when the topic comes up in actual discussion in real life. Usually at the expense of those who have something to contribute as way of experience to subjects like this. But, lo and behold, those people are to be met with suspicion also...

So really, how will anything EVER move forward in this field? When everyone is first a liar and not to be believed? Oh it's just their "perception" of what happened, right? Right....

[Miss Deetective]

Well said, Nimue....I agree!!!

[Jurgen]

Originally Posted by Darrell

My assumption for wrong dates and time frames is that the old guy never intended to write this book... ...and remembered things very imperfectly in his elderly state

Cough cough... Penniston... cough!

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Jurgen

Cough cough... Penniston... cough!

cough cough ... jurgen ... cough!

[dr wu23]

If one was 45 , 55 or even 65 years old I might agree that coming forward would be problematic but that's not the case here. Anyone involved in those days would be very old and like Corso near death and with no reason to worry about repercussions. No one bothered Corso nor was he publically humiliated except perhaps by some in the ufo arena who didn't buy his tale. No one else cares. No one even knows who he is outside the ufo circus.
The gubbermint did nor said anything. Nothing. Either they know his tale is bullshite or they simply don't care what an old man says since they assume the public won't care or won't believe.
So I think that argument simply doesn't hold any water. An older person like Corso could have come forward or still can if any of them are still alive and nothing would happen to them nor would anyone outside of the ufo community even care.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

If one was 45 , 55 or even 65 years old I might agree that coming forward would be problematic but that's not the case here. Anyone involved in those days would be very old and like Corso near death and with no reason to worry about repercussions. No one bothered Corso nor was he publically humiliated except perhaps by some in the ufo arena who didn't buy his tale. No one else cares. No one even knows who he is outside the ufo circus.
The gubbermint did nor said anything. Nothing. Either they know his tale is bullshite or they simply don't care what an old man says since they assume the public won't care or won't believe.
So I think that argument simply doesn't hold any water. An older person like Corso could have come forward or still can if any of them are still alive and nothing would happen to them nor would anyone outside of the ufo community even care.

I disagree. People have families. Many would not be willing to put at risk or subject to ridicule the ones they love. I know that I would not.