Originally Posted by dr wu23
I think you need the expresso so we'll agree to disagree....but you are coming from a position of belief so are you biased by definition when you look at a case?
Are you talking to me
? Well, sure I've often repeated the Friedman position on UFOs, also quoting (and linking insite!) the Project Blue Book pie charts with 10-30% potential Unknowns (=UFOs of non-earthly origin). (It never hurts to quote a rocket scientist
!) So I give the same answer for myself. What in my beliefs excludes me from being objective? UFOs refer to the majority of identification difficulties when things are moving through the sky, plus a minority of sightings deemed not of earth, based on Blue Book. Believing in what is simply factual and reported by the USAF does not make me less objective.
Originally Posted by dr wu23
btw.. it doesn't matter if he thinks only some are aliens because it will subjectively affect all his consderations. It's human nature and no way around it...that is my point. A true skeptic /scientist would say well..maybe they are aliens but we need more information. He has already made a conclusion based only on his personal beliefs since there is no actual evidence to prove any hypothesis at this stage.
And again the other top secret files don't indcate any 'alien truths' only that people see ufos both in and out of the govt...so what..?... we all know this already. They are not blacked out for that reason but due to gathering methods and protocol that they don't want other countries to know about.
I would bet you any amount of money that there is nothing in those 'secret docs' that get blacked out that would tell us anything more than what we already know....ufos get seen.
It does matter exactly what he thinks, as evidenced by your attempted misrepresentations of his ideas, allowing you to dismiss his reasoning. And since Stanton Friedman both acknowledges the misidentification of most UFOs (duh... who wouldn't??!), plus the small percentage of Unknown craft, his position conforms to the facts as we know it. No bias in there at all, Wu.
The remarks about advanced information gathering technology
by the NSA do not begin to explain why these documents (plus an affidavit by NSA Chief Yeates) have to be withheld from release under the Freedom Of Information Act. Obviously, the very text (affidavit) concerning these means
has been selected for declassification, impossible if it's the content to be kept secret
. And most telling, Judge Gesell asked the NSA to provide UFO files throughout, so any files only containing ways&means of Intelligence Gathering would not be considered by the NSA. Logically, it is UFO info which is contended here. NSA Chief Yeates' affidavit shows why UFO information must remain secret, for National Security reasons, necessitating 75% of that explanation to be blacked out
Source (document clickable link): NSA UFO Document Index - 1. In Camera Affidavit of Eugene F. Yeates
Source: Sarasota Herald-Tribune Nov 6, 1981
Judge Gesell's investigation and finding in this FOIA case, proves a level of Above Top Secret clearance, or higher, is required to view these NSA UFO files. The NSA had to clear him to ATS before he could read their affidavit. To think that "....ufos get seen." is deemed ATS, or that this could endanger the national security of the United States is frankly ludicrous.
The only reasonable conclusion is that your government holds in trust some info regards 'Unknowns', or True UFOs, which when released to the American public will compromise national security. You can bet your donkey it is BIG, as in Mega-GODZILLA Humongous