Aliens = Demons?

[conspiracygirl]

UFOs Abductions and the Jinn

So who or what are the Jinn, and can they really be related to UFO cases? “These creatures, the Jinns of the Muslim religion and the elementals in the Buddhist religion, they reportedly can materialize and dematerialize, and so can our Western culture’s abducting creatures,” California ufologist Ann Druffel explained to me. “They shape shift in various forms, they delight in harassing and traumatizing human beingsÉ. They reportedly abduct human beings and transport them long distances in a matter of secondsÉ And the Jinns, the elementals, and our own abducting greys [have taken] a sexual interest in human beingsÉdown through the millennia. In every major culture of the world, and in many minor cultures, they all have these same folkloric stories, and even religious and philosophical texts in some of the countries talk about this ‘third order of creation,’ as the Muslim’s call it. They aren’t angels, they aren’t devils, they aren’t human beings. They’re something in between that share our world with us in a hidden state.”

Just before posting this article, I contacted Philip Imbrogno to see if he wanted to add any remarks or observations to what I had written. He emailed me the following: “I am currently doing a book on the Djinn which has been contracted by Llewellyn. I am hoping that it will inform not only UFO investigators, but people who research all aspects of the paranormal. When we include the Djinn in the equation much of the confusing world of the paranormal makes more sense. One must remember they are an ancient race that have existed before human beings and are often called ‘God’s other people’ in the Muslim world. One must not look at them from a religious sense. We must see them for what they are: a race of interdimensional beings.”

Djinn is another variation on the spelling of Jinn, which represents the same being. Though many of us in our Western culture are unfamiliar with the D/jinn, in the Muslim world they are very widely known and the reality of these beings is taken, it certainly seems, without question. Again referring to Dr. Little’s book, he also wrote: “Followers of Islam tend to take their religion and their holy book, the Koran, seriously. They believe in the literal, physical existence of the Jinn. Even Islamic scientists take the Jinn seriously.”
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[Carol Nistri]

I wonder if all the people in all of the mental hospitals of the world were really subjected to abduction and meeting these strange creatures.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by starman2003

Sure they do. Like I said before, as soon as general relativity explained irregularities in the mecurian orbit, belief in the unseen Vulcan ceased.

dismissing an erroneous belief is not the same thing.

It is evidence for absence. Failure to find any unreworked dino fossils above the bolide signature has long been considered evidence--if not proof--of their extinction at that point.

no it is not. if one does not know where to look, how will one find what one is looking for? and if one does not know exactly what one is looking for (example God), one wouldn't know if one actually did find it. thus absence of evidence is nothing more than zero evidence.

consider this ...
Prior to Einstein's special relativity concepts, scientists believed empty space to contain a medium because it was believed that a medium was required in order for light to travel through space. But the Michaelson-Morley experiments were unable to find any evidence of said "aether", thus concluding that light can indeed travel through empty space without a medium.

Once this was accepted as science, Einstein came along and formulated how light must behave in the absence of a medium in space. And relativity seems to work well with our experiments. Yet, since then, cosmologists have found the need to have space actually contain unseen things referred to as dark matter and dark energy. And quantum theorists have found the need for all of space-time to contain energy strings in various density concentrations and frequencies.

So I ask you, what really has been "proven" about the contents of empty space?

Come on, you've seen my posts; there's plenty of evidence I exist.

For all I can tell, "you" are just words on my computer screen. Perhaps you are merely some interactive website bot or software program impersonating a member. If the "I' you refer to as yourself is more than that, where is the evidence? Clearly it is not here. Thus were I to be so naive as to use your suggested logic, I would be forced to conclude that you as a physical intelligent entity do not exist, because we have no evidence to the contrary.

[DD2011]

Originally Posted by Darrell

Oh really? Let's see ...

If the entities are from other "dimensions", what does that tell you? What might their motives be?

Or if instead, if they are from our own realm of existence, what does that tell you? How might their motives be different?

I disagree wholeheartedly that knowing the origin of such visitors tells us anything whatsoever; and I think their motives will remain unclear as well.

Knowing they're from another dimension might tell you that their nature is to mine for survival. If they're from here, it might tell you that their instincts might be like ants and they just want to dig and feed in the ground. It gives clues to their nature on where they're from and what their motives might be. Of course, you'd have to know the nature of the place their coming from, but learning it all and the complexities tells much...disagree all you want, it's the nature of the beasts and beings within the universe -- we've all got natural purposes from the spider weaving a web to the intelligent beings travelling through the universe. Look at it as a simple and you might end up like the fly stuck in a web with only one outcome. It's more than just friend or foe imo.

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Does anyone remember what Betty Hill said the "Leader" said to her? She was undergoing a painful examination,at one point she screamed You Have No Right".The "Leader" said to her,We Have Every Right", It made me wonder what he meant by that,why would he even think they have every right?

I'm thinking rather straightforwardly, that rightful access to human subjects was granted to Abductor Greys by someone with the authority to grant such a right.


It could well be that our prehistoric ancestors made a covenant with the Grey aliens, allowing them to have their way with us without timelimit, in return for special knowledge, power or technology. Those prehistoric human cultures and their secrets now may have been lost, however the Greys have since then adopted 'A Deal's A Deal' attitude, even thought modern humans have kinda forgotten they exist.

and/or

Mankind may have experienced some analog to the Fall, where we broke faith with one, presumably 'nice' higher being (we now remember as God), who miffed over our antics and rebellious ways, left us, effectively abandoning us to nasty parasitic lifeforms, who took our defenseless status as PERMISSION to do some heavy long-term abducting, harvesting tissues, organs, biological material, whole humans and life energies from their human cattle(!), whatever they can (get away with). Following this reasoning, the Greys and their UFOs would be the analog to the airforce of the Ruler of Earth, Satan.

and/or

Perhaps it is true a US Shadow Gov in the early 1950s allowed the Greys limited abduction rights in exchange for alien technology. Such a treaty constitutes a legal basis for aliens to abduct us (although they may have overlooked the limitations clause ).

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

I wonder if all the people in all of the mental hospitals of the world were really subjected to abduction and meeting these strange creatures.

Actually not, Carol: folks get committed to psych wards by accredited psychiatrists using a diagnostic tool (known as DSM-IV-TR) which (to the extend I read it) has no section equating the belief of having been abducted with a serious mental illness. (If you take your abduction to a Psychiatrist he's likely to write a bestseller about your experience !!) Furthermore, John Mack found that when assessing abductees, the incidence of mental disorders was lower than in the average population.


orangekea

[Miss Deetective]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Does anyone remember what Betty Hill said the "Leader" said to her? She was undergoing a painful examination,at one point she screamed You Have No Right".The "Leader" said to her,We Have Every Right", It made me wonder what he meant by that,why would he even think they have every right?

Well, if they indeed did manipulate our DNA way back when and have been monitoring and examining us all this time...then what was said does make sense, imo. Fits right in with the ancient alien theory!!

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

Well, if they indeed did manipulate our DNA way back when and have been monitoring and examining us all this time...then what was said does make sense, imo. Fits right in with the ancient alien theory!!

Perhaps. If they made us, they might feel that they own us. Think how we might feel about a robot of our manufacture.

[DD2011]

Originally Posted by Darrell

Perhaps. If they made us, they might feel that they own us. Think how we might feel about a robot of our manufacture.

If they're anything like a controlling territorial man over a woman or even robot, they might think that....let's hope at least some are a little more intelligent and peaceful and a little less controlling and righteous of what they believe is theirs lol.

[Antrikshaadmi]

Originally Posted by DD2011

If they're anything like a controlling territorial man over a woman or even robot, they might think that....let's hope at least some are a little more intelligent and peaceful and a little less controlling and righteous of what they believe is theirs lol.

And if they're anything like us, some of them do things for the lulz.

Originally Posted by Betty and Barney Hill abduction alien leader

We did it for the lulz.

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by Darrell

no it is not. if one does not know where to look, how will one find what one is looking for? and if one does not know exactly what one is looking for (example God), one wouldn't know if one actually did find it. thus absence of evidence is nothing more than zero evidence.

The "god" idea is in principle, easy to test. Inasmuch as "god" is supposed to be allpowerful, all it would take is something for which there is no possible natural explanation e.g. a horse skeleton in c 4 billion year old strata. Such a thing could hardly have evolved naturally so it would've been "prestoed" into existence.

Yet, since then, cosmologists have found the need to have space actually contain unseen things referred to as dark matter and dark energy. And quantum theorists have found the need for all of space-time to contain energy strings in various density concentrations and frequencies.

There is evidence for dark matter and energy--gravitational effects. But no evidence for "god."

For all I can tell, "you" are just words on my computer screen. Perhaps you are merely some interactive website bot or software program impersonating a member. If the "I' you refer to as yourself is more than that, where is the evidence?

I could show you where I am, so you could see for yourself.

Clearly it is not here. Thus were I to be so naive as to use your suggested logic, I would be forced to conclude that you as a physical intelligent entity do not exist, because we have no evidence to the contrary.

Overwhelming evidence... And my logic is not naive, it's standard in science.