Aliens = Demons?

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by Darrell

Perhaps. If they made us, they might feel that they own us. Think how we might feel about a robot of our manufacture.

Academic, in light of all the evidence for us evolving naturally. I think they just feel we are primitives, and they're superior.

[Miss Deetective]

Originally Posted by starman2003

Academic, in light of all the evidence for us evolving naturally. I think they just feel we are primitives, and they're superior.

So how many centuries is this fascination with "primitives" going to last??? Surely there are bigger and better fish out there in the universe!!
Are we THAT interesting???

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by starman2003

Academic, in light of all the evidence for us evolving naturally. I think they just feel we are primitives, and they're superior.

what evidence? the missing link that has never been found (on earth)?

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Miss Deetective

So how many centuries is this fascination with "primitives" going to last??? Surely there are bigger and better fish out there in the universe!!
Are we THAT interesting???

when was the last time you and your family visited the zoo?

[Carol Nistri]

I think mankind is of emmense interest to anyone who takes the time to study it.IF and I say IF its true that the entire business of abduction is to mix and mingle our dna with theirs then they found us strong enough or smart enough,no scratch that I think its savy that their after.Think of it,they come to this earth and spend a few thousand years just watching us.Maybe there so advanced if it wasnt for that Doodlebug they couldnt make a fire,we can,you take two sticks,but thats another show..Maybe they dont know how to survive except in that slick craft there always seen in.(now for the life of me I really really cant imagine that theres an Acme Saucer company somewhere in the distant cosmos.) But maybe just maybe they see the wisdom in combining there dna with ours,pick anyone an Eskimo,some one from Siberia,someone from any part of the world that doesnt have a super market or a part of the world that it would seem impossible to survive.Now your an alien and looking for something or someone to fiddle with.An Alien and a Human,what a concept what a brilliant idea.Combine the two and,and what, what the heck do you do with the kid,who raises the kid? In a favorite made for t.v. show on Lifetime theres a story that Im just crazy for,so much so that I went out and bought the video.Its all about a mother and daughter that are continuously abducted. (btw,if you want me to send you that video just drop me a pm with the address you want me to send it to,all I ask is that its returned to me when your thru.) Theres one scene where the Mom is once again abducted,they bring out a pitiful child a thin little girl child with the biggest saddest eyes youve ever seen.The leader wants the Mom to hold the child and bond with it,they seem to realize that the lack of that is going to retard the development of that child.But the Mom wants none of it,that show Ive watched a hundred time and Im never tired of it,ok gotta get going,talk to you all tomorrow.

[Darrell]

Okay, that's it! I want paternity testing for everyone.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by conspiracygirl

Hi Carol, I thought they came out with another B52 in the flying wing style of aircraft, not so long ago.

Hi Orangekea and dr wu, there are so many books I've read but the ones that resonate are Heavenly Lights by Joaquim Fernandez, Mothman Prophercies by John A Keel, Welcome To Magonia by Jacques Vallee and I'm currently picking my way through The Trickster And The Paranormal by George P. Hanson.

IMHO all of Vallee's books are worth reading especially Dimensions...,
The Trickster is an excellent look into the marginal edges of the paranormal and those who study it and it's sociological and psychological implications.
I also highly recommend Daimonic Reality by Harpur.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by conspiracygirl

UFOs Abductions and the Jinn

So who or what are the Jinn, and can they really be related to UFO cases? “These creatures, the Jinns of the Muslim religion and the elementals in the Buddhist religion, they reportedly can materialize and dematerialize, and so can our Western culture’s abducting creatures,� California ufologist Ann Druffel explained to me. “They shape shift in various forms, they delight in harassing and traumatizing human beingsÉ. They reportedly abduct human beings and transport them long distances in a matter of secondsÉ And the Jinns, the elementals, and our own abducting greys [have taken] a sexual interest in human beingsÉdown through the millennia. In every major culture of the world, and in many minor cultures, they all have these same folkloric stories, and even religious and philosophical texts in some of the countries talk about this ‘third order of creation,’ as the Muslim’s call it. They aren’t angels, they aren’t devils, they aren’t human beings. They’re something in between that share our world with us in a hidden state.�

Just before posting this article, I contacted Philip Imbrogno to see if he wanted to add any remarks or observations to what I had written. He emailed me the following: “I am currently doing a book on the Djinn which has been contracted by Llewellyn. I am hoping that it will inform not only UFO investigators, but people who research all aspects of the paranormal. When we include the Djinn in the equation much of the confusing world of the paranormal makes more sense. One must remember they are an ancient race that have existed before human beings and are often called ‘God’s other people’ in the Muslim world. One must not look at them from a religious sense. We must see them for what they are: a race of interdimensional beings.�

Djinn is another variation on the spelling of Jinn, which represents the same being. Though many of us in our Western culture are unfamiliar with the D/jinn, in the Muslim world they are very widely known and the reality of these beings is taken, it certainly seems, without question. Again referring to Dr. Little’s book, he also wrote: “Followers of Islam tend to take their religion and their holy book, the Koran, seriously. They believe in the literal, physical existence of the Jinn. Even Islamic scientists take the Jinn seriously.�
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You mention Dr Little, did you read his book Grand Illusions? Another one that takes an interesting look at alternative explanations.
Another one that looks at the Arab Djinn and Indian deities is Alien Identities by Thompson. And of course Dr Vallee has mentioned these parallels in his books since about 1978.
I recently read one of Imbrogno's recent books about interdimensional beings. I was a little disappointed since he seemed to repeat the same ideas from earlier books.
This idea is certainly intriguing and is an avenue we should not ignore when looking to the origins of these entities but we should be careful not to confuse religious myth with real beings. Of course this is easier said than done since they might be one and the same.

[dr wu23]

Orangekea: I'm thinking rather straightforwardly, that rightful access to human subjects was granted to Abductor Greys by someone with the authority to grant such a right.

If you haven't you should read Gods of Eden....right up your alley.

Furthermore, John Mack found that when assessing abductees, the incidence of mental disorders was lower than in the average population.

Do you have a link to that ....I read his books and don't recall any stats of this or was this merely his 'general observation' based on the few
abductees' he saw? Certainly not a large enough sample imho.

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Do you have a link to that ....I read his books and don't recall any stats of this or was this merely his 'general observation' based on the few
abductees' he saw? Certainly not a large enough sample imho.

You are correct, it was his assessment as a psychiatrist of only the abductees he worked with. It does not prove all abductees everywhere thoughout time must have been enjoying above average mental health. But it suggests this, pending further investigation, and his findings seems incompatible with the popular idea that folks who see aliens/flying saucers and get abducted must all suffer from delusional disorders.

I'll see if I can get you a link or quote.