Aliens = Demons?

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Actchewalee I hope Im dead wrong Orange,I hope its just ET and that morphing can be done with the right technology.Im hoping that there trying to make us think there demons when all the time their ET.

How about this: if the phenomenon is caused by folks like us, just ridiculously advanced and evolved, meaning they're some sort of ET, we still struggle with the same set of problems. The high strangeness cases (serving pancakes, abducting family dogs, dressing in Gestapo uniforms you name it!!) indicate they're complete weirdos (some of them at least). We cannot figure them. During abductions they use coercion, mental domination, abject terror and disgust, plus pain in (again weird) 'medical' procedures.

We may have to conclude some of our advanced Visitors from space or nextdoor-universe are evil and insane (no matter they have neat motherships and electrogravitic disks). Being extraterrestrial doesn't necessarily make you good or decent, why would it...?


orangekea

[Antrikshaadmi]

You don't have to go through a whole essay to explain yourself Carol. You're entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is. There should be no reason to feel otherwise. I'd be beating a dead horse if I was to post what I've posted about this theory in the past. I'll just ask one question that I think needs an answer before I can consider it correct. Why is there no word for demon in Hebrew?

http://www.crivoice.org/demonsot.html

In spite of the translations, there is no word in Hebrew equivalent to the English word "demon," nor any word that communicates the same meaning that the term communicates in English as an malevolent being in the service of the devil out to destroy humans. That idea today has been shaped by the imagination of medieval writers and popularized in the modern church in terms of evil beings against which Christians need to wage "spiritual warfare." Yet, the ancient Israelites lived in a world in which that view of "demons" was not part of their culture or way of thinking.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Antrikshaadmi

You don't have to go through a whole essay to explain yourself Carol. You're entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is. There should be no reason to feel otherwise. I'd be beating a dead horse if I was to post what I've posted about this theory in the past. I'll just ask one question that I think needs an answer before I can consider it correct. Why is there no word for demon in Hebrew?

That's not quite correct. The Hebrews did indeed believe in evil and thought the fallen angels were 'devils'. They didn't use the word demon (from daimon..a Greek word for malicious spirits) because it was not a Hebrew word. The Bible was translated into Greek later then into English. They used other terms but they were what we called 'demons' based on Greek trnslations. It's that simple.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...5_0_05094.html

[Antrikshaadmi]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

That's not quite correct. The Hebrews did indeed believe in evil and thought the fallen angels were 'devils'. They didn't use the word demon (from daimon..a Greek word for malicious spirits) because it was not a Hebrew word. The Bible was translated into Greek later then into English. They used other terms but they were what we called 'demons' based on Greek trnslations. It's that simple.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...5_0_05094.html

The only thing that link does is prove you wrong. Satyrs are not demons. If satyrs are demons that means that demons are mythological, which proves that extraterrestrials aren't demons.

Foreign gods are called shedim (Deut. 32:17; Ps. 106:37; cf. I Cor. 10:20), rendered "demons" or "devils" in most translations. The word is related to Akkadian šÃªdu ("demon"; good or evil).
SEʿIRIM ("hairy demons, satyrs") is also applied contemptuously to foreign deities (Lev. 17:7; II Chron. 11:15). These creatures haunt ruins, along with Lilith (Isa. 13:21; 34:14).

There is no word for demon in Hebrew. Akkadian is not Hebrew.

You know, I think it's best if I leave this thread alone before some one starts posting about satyrs being real. God must be a big D&D fan considering all the demons, satyrs, dragons, cockatrices, unicorns, four-legged insects and other assorted creatures right out of the Monstrous Compendium.


Don't get me wrong, I love D&D. Just not enough to believe it's real.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Antrikshaadmi

The only thing that link does is prove you wrong. Satyrs are not demons.

There is no word for demon in Hebrew.

You must have reading comprehension issues young man......try rereading my post then respond again. I clearly said they did not use the word demon..what part of that dont you get? They used other terms that meant the same thing and clearly believed in evil spirits etc......read the whole link next time before you make a reply.
And no one mentioned satyrs either.

[Antrikshaadmi]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

You must have reading comprehension issues young man......try rereading my post then respond again. I clearly said they did not use the word demon..what part of that dont you get? They used other terms that meant the same thing and clearly believed in evil spirits etc......read the whole link next time before you make a reply.
And no one mentioned satyrs either.

Young? Is that why I feel like an old fart? So, the link you posted claims that satyrs are demons. You seem to agree. Do you like D&D as much as God does?

[Wilhelm]

Originally Posted by Antrikshaadmi

You know, I think it's best if I leave this thread alone before some one starts posting about satyrs being real. God must be a big D&D fan considering all the demons, satyrs, dragons, cockatrices, unicorns, four-legged insects and other assorted creatures right out of the Monstrous Compendium.

Didn't we go over this already?

This might be hard for you to believe, but hundreds and thousands of years ago, people didn't have the benefit of science, printed books, the internet, etc. They had stories of travelers, and creatures which were quite real, took on much fiercer descriptions in retellings (and even the original tellings if they particular teller waned to embellish a bit).

All of those creatures existed (and probably still do), we just know them by different names, and with less ferocious attributes.

[Antrikshaadmi]

Originally Posted by Wilhelm

Didn't we go over this already?

This might be hard for you to believe, but hundreds and thousands of years ago, people didn't have the benefit of science, printed books, the internet, etc. They had stories of travelers, and creatures which were quite real, took on much fiercer descriptions in retellings (and even the original tellings if they particular teller waned to embellish a bit).

All of those creatures existed (and probably still do), we just know them by different names, and with less ferocious attributes.

Yes of course I remember. Satyr = ape supposedly. But when satyr = demon that's D&D.

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

That's not quite correct. The Hebrews did indeed believe in evil and thought the fallen angels were 'devils'. They didn't use the word demon (from daimon..a Greek word for malicious spirits) because it was not a Hebrew word. The Bible was translated into Greek later then into English. They used other terms but they were what we called 'demons' based on Greek trnslations. It's that simple.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...5_0_05094.html

I agree with you Wu. Though the word 'demon' was not yet in use, the IDEA was, as you say in wicked Angels or Sons of God, but also in the enemy/false deities of non-Hebrew peoples. Baal (multiple versions), and Ba-al Zebub are fine precursors of modern demons, devils, evil spirits what have you. And in the New Testament Jesus Christ appears to equate the ancient Ba-al Zebub with Satan, case closed imho.


orangekea

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by Antrikshaadmi

Young? Is that why I feel like an old fart? So, the link you posted claims that satyrs are demons. You seem to agree. Do you like D&D as much as God does?

Are the two of you now quarreling about who's the older fart? In the interest of world peace I propose you settle for both being old farts? Just an idea to throw around maybe.

By the way, I acknowledge that Alien=Demons-theory has baggage: a whole bunch of evangelical/biblical beliefs you cannot allow into the logic chain without careful consideration.

If the Bible has errors (rather than being Word Of God), then any 'demon' concept must be redefined. For instance, demons existing without the Christian God (in an Atheist reality) simply become hostile extraterrestrials or transdimensionals.


orangekea