Great Scott!

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

I used to bring that up years ago and also why would real demons from hell go to all the trouble to pose as space aliens? Surely there are far better tried and true ways (the original 7 sins..) to help people fall into sin and the devils grasp?
The metaphysical end game here is presumably to steal souls for satan. How is pretending to be space aliens flying around , abducting people for alleged hybrid exps, etc, stealing souls for satan..?

I tend to fundamentally agree with that, Wu. The 'truest', hard-core beliefs of UFOlogy, things that when I express them (generational abduction, ET tweaking fates, ETs worshipped as gods etc.) make me sound flaky whatever, are not a big global movement at all, having only marginal effects on mankind I'd say.

Abduction seems like useless for luring us all into hell.


orangekea

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by orangekea

I tend to fundamentally agree with that, Wu. The 'truest', hard-core beliefs of UFOlogy, things that when I express them (generational abduction, ET tweaking fates, ETs worshipped as gods etc.) make me sound flaky whatever, are not a big global movement at all, having only marginal effects on mankind I'd say.

Abduction seems like useless for luring us all into hell.


orangekea

There was a regular member here called Somerville/Daniel who was a Jewish convert then became a born again Christian who was very knowledgable about the ufo area . I wish he was still here since his comments on all the demons and religious angle would be very interesting imo.
From what I recall he did not think they were actual demons either but more akin to malevolent entities.

[Carol Nistri]

What was it he would call them,something like Pesky somethingorother.Remember that Dr.Wu?

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

There was a regular member here called Somerville/Daniel who was a Jewish convert then became a born again Christian who was very knowledgable about the ufo area . I wish he was still here since his comments on all the demons and religious angle would be very interesting imo.
From what I recall he did not think they were actual demons either but more akin to malevolent entities.

It is obvious to me that Christians aren't a single body, nor are they in agreement on what UFO sightings, and alien experiences mean, Wu. (One of my fam members is an American styled Baptist, also I have talked to Anglicans, Pentecostals etc..) Many Christians never seriously considered UFOs or alien life, except to think the cosmos too large for just us.

However a minority of Evangelicals did arrive at complex ideas, where alien visitors are made to fit in with the Bible. And, perhaps like former member Daniel suggested, it seems these are more complex than 'demons=aliens'.

To this group the so called aliens started out not as demons, but as powerful good entities, Angels who turned away from God, and took wives on Earth, producing bloodlines/children here. Becoming flesh over generations, and an enemy faction to God (=the YAHWEH-deity of Jewish Torah) constituted a moral and dimensional descent, a Fall. Still, these were nothing like our modern notion of Demons! The kids (so called Nephilim, continuing for millennia according to this Evangelical UFO/alien-model) of the Fallen Angels were more like Superheroes, indomitable warriors, generals and world leaders, than how we imagine devils.

Only when in Noah's day (Approx. 10,000-11,000 years ago), the pure/righteous human of Genesis 6, a great flood virtually wiped out the Nephilim lines, they died in great numbers, their spirits drawn together in an alternative dimension of torment, a deep layer of Hell, they turned into the lifeform we now call malevolent spirits or Demons. (Hell cannot hold them, they rise back to our world.)

Thus the Alien Visitors, in this theory, are the Nephilim spirits, who succeeded in making their way back from Hell to our reality, managed to aquire physical bodies again (by the Grey practice of modifying and inhabiting fetuses harvested from abductees) plus engineered/developed their own technology, the saucers they use to pass through our atmosphere and near-space.

Remember, it's a biblical model! Two final wrinkles: the leadership of the supposed aliens/Nephilim spirits consists of the original Fallen Angels, including a very powerful one, known as Beelzebub, or Satan. Last wrinkle, Genesis suggests that God failed to eradicate the Nephilim race from Earth, they somehow survived in the bloodlines of Canaan, and never completely disappeared (General Joshua 1300 BCE and King David 1000 BCE attempted to kill the last, but again failed). The Nephilim (physical ones) presumably still live among us, and speculatively form a preferred pool of potential abductees to the related airborne Nephilim spirits.

Complex, hah... (hope I'm not causing anyone a headache)


orangekea

[Carol Nistri]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

I used to bring that up years ago and also why would real demons from hell go to all the trouble to pose as space aliens? Surely there are far better tried and true ways (the original 7 sins..) to help people fall into sin and the devils grasp?
The metaphysical end game here is presumably to steal souls for satan. How is pretending to be space aliens flying around , abducting people for alleged hybrid exps, etc, stealing souls for satan..?

Ive thought along those same lines Dr.Wu,I think and Im not sure of this but I think that whoever or whatever is behind this has thought of a way to get huge numbers skipping along behind him,sure that were following loving caring entities that have come to help mankind.