Alien Abductions Are Really Dreams?

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by starman2003

I wouldn't go that far. It's possible for someone in a remote area, who never heard of abductions before, tell a story which parallels other cases in various ways.

no doubt; but that doesn't make it testable. nor does it eliminate the possibility that two individuals had similar "dreams."

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

I think it's a safe bet that some 'abductions' are indeed lucid dreams, but I don't think that can account for all of them.

most likely true; but that doesn't provide anything for science to work with if one lacks tangible evidence and/or multiple witnesses to eliminate the lucid dream or delusion possibility.

So are the others real 'alien ' events, astral trips, induced hallucinations by unknown agencies human or other wise, a new form of mental illness..?

for all we know they could all be real (including those labeled lucid dreams). the point is that science has nothing to work with in any case lacking confirmation by multiple witnesses and/or tangible evidence. would you suggest that science waste its time categorizing dream topics?

[DD2011]

I tend to wonder if aliens have the capability to put a person in the lucid dreaming state -- whether it be from technology they have or if their brains have abilities to control our brains into lucidity. How interesting that we have behavior changing through the brain technology out there...http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/26543/. I think it surely could explain some of the many people who are trying to describe what might be an undescribable with words situation/event.

[JackSpaniels]

Originally Posted by Darrell

most likely true; but that doesn't provide anything for science to work with if one lacks tangible evidence and/or multiple witnesses to eliminate the lucid dream or delusion possibility.



for all we know they could all be real (including those labeled lucid dreams). the point is that science has nothing to work with in any case lacking confirmation by multiple witnesses and/or tangible evidence. would you suggest that science waste its time categorizing dream topics?

I don't really care what science says in this area. I dont need those with vested career interests to support my opinions. As you rightly point out, this could all be real but with no physical evidence. That doesn't make it less real, it maybe means that the scientific method is flawed. I already know that.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by JackSpaniels

I don't really care what science says in this area. I dont need those with vested career interests to support my opinions. As you rightly point out, this could all be real but with no physical evidence. That doesn't make it less real, it maybe means that the scientific method is flawed. I already know that.

Uh huh ... and your opinion plus $3.00 will get you a beer at most taverns.

[starman2003]

Originally Posted by JackSpaniels

As you rightly point out, this could all be real but with no physical evidence.

Some physical evidence.

That doesn't make it less real, it maybe means that the scientific method is flawed.

Na, most scientists are just reluctant to get mixed up in this.

[Carol Nistri]

Jack Spaniels is a bit of allright..as far as scientist getting mixed up with it all maybe they dont or cant verify anything simply because the are scientest and must adhere to certain rules,do you know what might be ideal?,a scientist and a physic,thats right too extreams that cant budge without the other.Mortal eniemies thrown together with one common goal,to prove flying saucers are a real nuts and bolts happening.Depending on evidence presented the scientist is going to be forced to admit that theres more to this world than meets the eye.Come to think of it this would make for a fine made for t.v. movie.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Jack Spaniels is a bit of allright..as far as scientist getting mixed up with it all maybe they dont or cant verify anything simply because the are scientest and must adhere to certain rules,do you know what might be ideal?,a scientist and a physic,thats right too extreams that cant budge without the other.Mortal eniemies thrown together with one common goal,to prove flying saucers are a real nuts and bolts happening.Depending on evidence presented the scientist is going to be forced to admit that theres more to this world than meets the eye.Come to think of it this would make for a fine made for t.v. movie.

The problem is one of actual evidence to work with, and the scars and 'implants' have told us nothing on any scientific level. Where would science even start with this assuming they could get serious funding?
Dr Mack has already interviewed abductees and nothing was proven there. None of the objects found in people have been shown to be of alien origin and all we are left with are witness stories. Even if some scientists overcame their fear of losing their jobs ,etc...what would they even test?

[Darrell]

The first question is: what to you wish to learn -- that the abduction actually happened, what occurred during said abduction or what we can learn about the entities involved in abductions?

I would first want to do things which can verify the claim that an abduction actually took place. I would use lie detectors to interview abductees and/or witnesses. I would give abductees thorough physical exams which outwardly seek evidence of recent "probing", implants or alterations. I would subject the victims to properly conducted hypnotic regression examinations. I would examine any of the physical aspects of their story, such as sites of lingering excess radiation, marks etc. Needless to say, I would thoroughly examine any artifacts left at the scene.

Given that the event isn't busted as fradulent or delusionary, I would then catalog all details of the event as described by abductees and/or witnesses. Once many different "certified" abduction events have been cataloged, I would look for patterns in the data. I would use the data to test various hypotheses about why said abductions have been taking place so that we might anticipate any future involvement with the entities.

[JackSpaniels]

Originally Posted by Darrell

Uh huh ... and your opinion plus $3.00 will get you a beer at most taverns.

Your point being?