The truth is no longer out there...

[Carol Nistri]

Is that right Antri?

"Adobe is developing a suite of forensic tools that will detect if a photo or video has been manipulated or it's a fake. People can't continue to hoax photographs and video indefinitely" I sure hope it is,were all tired of the faked videos and pictures.

[Skeptical]

But does this touch off a digital manipulation arms race? Just like with anti-virus software, will this simply spur those so inclined to come up with new and different ways to circumvent the safeguards we've built?

S

[Carol Nistri]

but why do that and who will go thru the bother and expense in circumvent a method thats designed to do away with fakes?

[Jason Chapman]

are there any links regaurding Adobe developments, this could weed out the hoaxers.

[Skeptical]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

but why do that and who will go thru the bother and expense in circumvent a method thats designed to do away with fakes?

Carol - it's a challenge and there are personalities out there who will take up the challenge just to prove that they are more clever than you.



Besides, I think there is probably money (not necessarily honest money, mind you) to be made in undetectably manipulating images in order to manipulate perception.

S

[Carol Nistri]

grrr,hoaxers...

[Darrell]

They should make a law against hoaxing the public. Afterall it is a form of bearing false witness. Some opposed to such a law would probably argue that there is no real victim and that no one gets hurt; but then I would counter that we all become the victims of false information and not being able to distinguish between truth and falsehoods could lead to great harm should the UFO scenario ever turn dangerous for humanity.

[BSMWilliams]

Originally Posted by dejarma

out of 7 billion people on this planet- around 360 million have an internet connection... out of these 360 million i'd suggest very few have an interest in this phenomnot much i guess

Here's a bit of a story Dej.


The race for the White House might be tight, but there is one issue where Americans overwhelmingly back President Obama - his ability to fend off an alien invasion.
A survey conducted for the National Geographic Channel published yesterday showed that nearly two-thirds (65%) of Americans think Obama would be better suited than his Republican challenger Mitt Romney to handle a visit from little (or big and scary) green men.
Women are also more convinced that the current president would be able to keep them safe, with 68% backing Obama to protect earth from invasion compared to 61% of men.
The results are in contrast to a similar survey conducted in Britain recently which showed that, far from being best placed to tackle an alien invasion, one in 10 Britons believed that David Cameron was in fact an alien himself.
The survey also revealed that one-third of American believed UFOs exist and that nearly one in five (19%) think Washington DC, is the most likely landing zone for a UFO.

Last time aliens visited Washington it didn't go to well for the White HouseNearly four in five (79%) think that the government has been keeping information about UFOs secret from the public.
According to the poll a "large majority" think aliens could have superpowers including the ability to travel through time.
And more Americans believe aliens exist than in superheros and zombies - which seems perfectly reasonable.
Nearly half of those surveyed would volunteer their boss to be experimented on by aliens.
In January the White House was forced to deny that President Obama was teleported to Mars in the 1980s as a member of a secret CIA project hosted at a community college in California.
While last year a White House spokesman had to deny that aliens had visited Earth following a petition calling for information to be released.
"The US government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race," Phil Larson of the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy wrote in a blog post responding to the inquiries.
"In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye."
But then they would say that, wouldn't they.

[mabelobe]

Ufology at one point was the second most searched for subject on the net, first being sex. With the emergence of you tube and facebook it has wained to the point of being among the annals of science fiction, crack pots and your general mental patients. The general public in this day and age know less about ufology than they did back in the 60's and 70's. Saying that after many years arguing with former MOD departments, and being lambasted and ridiculed time and time again. I feel like what is the point anymore, same old wheel going round and round. I still e-mail certain people in regards to this most unusual phenomena, what am finding more disconcerting is the social phenomena that seems to be occuring on a world wide scale of i don't give a toss anymore if they ever did!
If we ever get the answers i'm sure most on here and those that fought for the cause over the years and decades will be vindicated. Having had my little rant, do you think its possible for a person from the UK to e-mail NORAD i have a few questions for them. In other words will i be extradited for doing so? A few year ago i would have just done it, but these days i'm not so bloody sure!
Regards Mabs.

[Darrell]

I think the basic problem is the frustration of seemingly waiting for some unknown future event to happen that will factually resolve everything concerning UFOs. And while we wait for this giant revelation, every day is sameo sameo -- with lesser events infrequently occuring (mixed with lots of hoaxes, disinformation and misidentifications) that merely get claimants, believers and skeptics in a roil that never resolves itself.