From An Ex CIA Agent

[Antrikshaadmi]

There's always the 1% chance he could be a disinformation agent. I trust him 99%

[Carol Nistri]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Another 'insider' who tells a good tale...but again no evidence just a story.....but at the very least it belongs in the gray basket as Friedman likes to say.
btw this story is making the rounds on the ufo boards.

IF its true and if a ufo really did crash at Roswell then it completely contridicts the book the air force put out explaining the events at Roswell,I think it was called Case Closed.I sure hope Noory has this guy on,at least he will be questioned at length.It wont prove anything but at least we will have a chance to ask questions.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Another 'insider' who tells a good tale...but again no evidence just a story.....but at the very least it belongs in the gray basket as Friedman likes to say.
btw this story is making the rounds on the ufo boards.

Couldn't the same thing be said about every tale from nearly every UFO book (including those of vallee)?

Something to consider ...
It's darned difficult to pick up tangible evidence items when the government gets there first and cordens off the area to non-military personnel as they sweep for everything and carry away what they find and hide it from the public. And once they have done that, it's even harder to find ways to remove it from secured storage and get it to the public. Those darned security clearances, body searches and scanners and the full network of guards and surveilance devices do a pretty good job when it comes to keeping classified objects secure. Given that, who could reasonably expect any whistleblower to walk out with any tangible evidence to back up his/her claims? And just by that alone, the government has succeeded over and over in controlling the thinking process of all the skeptics who will accept nothing out of their ordinary tunnel vision of perception possibilities without tangible evidence to "prove" the stories "true." same-oh, same-oh!

[ChrisPerridas]

Man, it's awkward to have two simultaneous threads on this subject. But I saw where Huff Post interviewed Chase Brandon. I pulled out the exact quoted.statements he made to them.


(1) "It was not a damn weather balloon -- it was what it was billed when people first reported it," said Chase Brandon, a 35-year CIA veteran. "It was a craft that clearly did not come from this planet, it crashed and I don't doubt for a second that the use of the word 'remains' and 'cadavers' was exactly what people were talking about."


(2) "It was a vaulted area and not everybody could get in it," Brandon told The Huffington Post. "One day, I was looking around in there and reading some of the titles that were mostly hand-scribbled summations of what was in the boxes. And there was one box that really caught my eye. It had one word on it: Roswell. // I took the box down, lifted the lid up, rummaged around inside it, put the box back on the shelf and said, 'My god, it really happened!'"

(3) {The box contained} "Some written material and some photographs, and that's all I will ever say to anybody about the contents of that box. but it absolutely, for me, was the single validating moment that everything I had believed, and knew that so many other people believed had happened, truly was what occurred."

Separating his opinions, and preconceptions, what remains is:

.. the box … had one word on it: Roswell. … I took the box down, lifted the lid up, rummaged around inside it, put the box back on the shelf … {it had} … written material and some photographs …

This is all he is saying the facts are. The rest is his opinion.

I'll post on the other thread, too, I guess.

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by ChrisPerridas

Man, it's awkward to have two simultaneous threads on this subject. But I saw where Huff Post interviewed Chase Brandon. I pulled out the exact quoted.statements he made to them.


(1) "It was not a damn weather balloon -- it was what it was billed when people first reported it," said Chase Brandon, a 35-year CIA veteran. "It was a craft that clearly did not come from this planet, it crashed and I don't doubt for a second that the use of the word 'remains' and 'cadavers' was exactly what people were talking about."


(2) "It was a vaulted area and not everybody could get in it," Brandon told The Huffington Post. "One day, I was looking around in there and reading some of the titles that were mostly hand-scribbled summations of what was in the boxes. And there was one box that really caught my eye. It had one word on it: Roswell. // I took the box down, lifted the lid up, rummaged around inside it, put the box back on the shelf and said, 'My god, it really happened!'"

(3) {The box contained} "Some written material and some photographs, and that's all I will ever say to anybody about the contents of that box. but it absolutely, for me, was the single validating moment that everything I had believed, and knew that so many other people believed had happened, truly was what occurred."

Separating his opinions, and preconceptions, what remains is:

.. the box … had one word on it: Roswell. … I took the box down, lifted the lid up, rummaged around inside it, put the box back on the shelf … {it had} … written material and some photographs …

This is all he is saying the facts are. The rest is his opinion.

I'll post on the other thread, too, I guess.

Ummm ... what about "it was not a damned weather balloon?" Isn't that a fact? And: "it's a craft that clearly did not come from this planet." Don't you count observations as facts?

[ChrisPerridas]

Not necessarily is this a fact.

Yes, observations, if under the right conditions, are facts.

He states elsewhere that he would not - will never - reveal the contents of what he saw in the box. This assumes he saw a box, of course, and the rest is a true statement.

"It's not a weather balloon" would have to be either a statement made due to the content of what he saw in the box, a violation of his oath as an agent, or it is his opinion, not a violation of his oath as an agent.

If he violated his oath, and his statement "It's not a damned weather balloon" is due to what he saw in the box, he is liable for prosecution. I think he is too well trained to make that mistake.

That's why I don't think it is a statement of fact to what he actually saw in that box. It is what he believes based on some other data, or his personal opinion. It is clever how he conflates opinion and fact, but he is trained in this very art. He spent most of 24 years practicing this art, based on the publications I saw his name in. Some would say this is the art of deception, but he would probably say it is the art of subtlety.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Darrell

Couldn't the same thing be said about every tale from nearly every UFO book (including those of vallee)?

Something to consider ...
It's darned difficult to pick up tangible evidence items when the government gets there first and cordens off the area to non-military personnel as they sweep for everything and carry away what they find and hide it from the public. And once they have done that, it's even harder to find ways to remove it from secured storage and get it to the public. Those darned security clearances, body searches and scanners and the full network of guards and surveilance devices do a pretty good job when it comes to keeping classified objects secure. Given that, who could reasonably expect any whistleblower to walk out with any tangible evidence to back up his/her claims? And just by that alone, the government has succeeded over and over in controlling the thinking process of all the skeptics who will accept nothing out of their ordinary tunnel vision of perception possibilities without tangible evidence to "prove" the stories "true." same-oh, same-oh!

We've all had the same conversation before..many times. Without something- anything to support the tale it's just another tale.
And that can apply to any witness or 'insider'....no matter what they said they saw or believe.


btw..I find it interesting that people believe this man when Colonel Alexander ,who was also on the inside and worked with people like Brandon from the CIA as well as military intel and weapons projects on a regular basis, are looked upon as disnfo agents or liars. In the end people believe on emotion and not on any factual basis when it comes to many of these claims.
But in the end none of them have provided any actual evidence..not a one.

[dr wu23]

CIA smacks down former employee

Tuesday, July 10, 2012
by Billy Cox

Whether or not Chase Brandon’s Roswell UFO story has legs obviously depends on the MSM’s inclination to run with the ball. They’ve been warming up to it since June 23, when the retired CIA operative told Coast-To-Coast AM that the Agency had UFO material from the 1947 mystery stashed in its Historical Intelligence Collection files. But if the trend holds, they’ll lose all followup ardor soon enough and it’ll be a dead duck, as usual.

And that’s too bad, because someone here is clearly lying. Last week, De Void asked the CIA if a) its HIC was in possession of Roswell data, and b) would Brandon have had access to that material?Agency PIO Jennifer Youngblood responded Tuesday afternoon: “Our historians have found nothing in the Agency’s holdings to corroborate Mr. Brandon’s specific claims. The CIA has fielded numerous inquiries related to UFOs over the years, and the definitive account of the Agency’s role in UFO studies was published in 1997 and can be found — without redaction — on our website.
“The document can be found here and stands on its own: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/97unclass/ufo.html”

That’s a link to National Reconnaissance Organization historian Gerald Haines’ dubious 1997 assertion that most Cold War UFO sightings can be attributed to U.S. spyplane activity. It has no bearing on the Roswell controversy. And that’s pretty much all the CIA has to offer on Brandon’s claims which, if true, are pure dynamite.

Reached at home, HIC curator Hayden Peake declined to provide additional information. “My comments are all in that statement released today,” he said.

Although Brandon claimed last month he had no first-hand knowledge of the event, he told national audiences he took a peek inside a boxed file labeled “Roswell” during the mid-1990s. As a result: “I absolutely know … that there was a craft from beyond this world that crashed at Roswell, that the military picked up remains of not just the wreckage but cadavers and all of that was made public for a short while … One hundred percent guarantee, in my heart and soul I say — Roswell happened.”

Brandon added his security oath prevented him from sharing more details. But what makes him worth listening to are his credentials. A 35-year CIA veteran, he was on the media radar screen — from Popular Mechanics to Mother Jones — for his foreign intrigues long before his decision to go Roswell. At about the same time Brandon claims to have seen the Roswell material, he became the CIA’s first-ever technical consultant to Hollywood, where he reviewed scripts for image and credibility issues before lending the Agency’s imprimatur to productions.

Several things are immediately suspicious about Brandon’s revelations. Foremost is the timing, which coincides with the release of his new novel, The Cryptos Conundrum, billed as a sci-fi conspiracy thriller. Then there’s the fact that nothing he discussed about Roswell goes above and beyond anything long since in the public domain.

“Chase’s claim that he saw a box of files marked ‘Roswell’ is ridiculous,” states Sarasota researcher Tony Bragalia, who has spent years investigating Roswell. “No doubt they use identifying code and project numbers [at the Archives] — not boxes marked ‘Roswell,’ ‘JFK,’ ‘Bigfoot,’ etc. And he’s got the perfect fallback because he says he can’t offer any other details due to national security. I don’t think it’s official disinformation. I think he’s kind of setting himself up for the book. And it’s too bad because there’s so much stuff about this case that’s real and interesting.”

Brandon has not responded to De Void’s query for comment.

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/13112/cia-smacks-down-former-employee/

[Antrikshaadmi]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

Brandon has not responded to De Void’s query for comment.

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/13112/cia-smacks-down-former-employee/

Isn't Brandon technically taking a risk of being assassinated for his actions?

James Forrestal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are serious matters. Why so serious?!

[dr wu23]

Antri,
allegedly he's been retired since the late 90's and I honestly can't imagine the CIA goes around killing old men who claim they know about space aliens.