Terence McKenna on UFOs

[Antrikshaadmi]

This is a portion of a conference in which Terence McKenna discusses UFOs and aliens. He said he might have been a possible abductee.

[ChrisPerridas]

Per Dr Wu, I am reading through Dr Vallee's old books. Why is it so many individuals also have religious, paranormal, and high strangeness in their life before they receive contacts by "the others"? Anyone have any speculation?

[Antrikshaadmi]

When he mentions that what quantum physics is telling us is that there has to be an observer for what we call reality to exist he's referencing the measurement problem. In effect everything is consciousness and Carl Jung's observation of the UFO phenomenon being psychological is not far from the truth. Consciousness is multiversal, there are infinite copies of every person in an infinite amount of parallel universes and each copy is the same person. If there would be one cause for people seeing craft that are operating in higher dimensions than the 4th(time) in a universe with 11 dimensions which is parallel to an infinite amount of universes within whose cosmos Type 4 and above civilizations on the Kardashev scale are multiversal, chances are it was in an "altered state of consciousness". Consciousness is as infinite as the multiverse it exists in, there is just as much inner space as there is outer space. Terence was judging physics as it was at the time, much has changed since he made statements about it being incomprehensible. Stephen Hawking and Dr. Michio Kaku have answered many of the incomprehensible questions in physics since then. But yes, at the time physics was a bit contradictory.

[orangekea]

Originally Posted by ChrisPerridas

Per Dr Wu, I am reading through Dr Vallee's old books. Why is it so many individuals also have religious, paranormal, and high strangeness in their life before they receive contacts by "the others"? Anyone have any speculation?

I suppose I fit into the anyone niche, so my answer is: I think humans and aliens are spiritual beings in a spiritual world.

Of course your answer alludes to a sense of surprise, even shock, that the astronauts from outer space appeal to our intuitions about Angels, Gods and Devils. But that surprise imo stems from the regrettable fact that much of our enlightened, optimist, humanist, modernist philosophies are wrong, not based in reality. (Perhaps these guys always have been one and the same category...)


orangekea

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by Antrikshaadmi

When he mentions that what quantum physics is telling us is that there has to be an observer for what we call reality to exist he's referencing the measurement problem. In effect everything is consciousness and Carl Jung's observation of the UFO phenomenon being psychological is not far from the truth. Consciousness is multiversal, there are infinite copies of every person in an infinite amount of parallel universes and each copy is the same person. If there would be one cause for people seeing craft that are operating in higher dimensions than the 4th(time) in a universe with 11 dimensions which is parallel to an infinite amount of universes within whose cosmos Type 4 and above civilizations on the Kardashev scale are multiversal, chances are it was in an "altered state of consciousness". Consciousness is as infinite as the multiverse it exists in, there is just as much inner space as there is outer space. Terence was judging physics as it was at the time, much has changed since he made statements about it being incomprehensible. Stephen Hawking and Dr. Michio Kaku have answered many of the incomprehensible questions in physics since then. But yes, at the time physics was a bit contradictory.

what a pile of crapola!

In quantum physics, events are only understood in statistical fashion. Those that think that observing makes things change have lost their marbles. Think of a wheel spinning with numbers on it and a window for an observer to look through such that the number passing through at this moment in time can be seen. Obviously since the wheel keeps on spinning, the number changes after the observation. duh! (and it keeps on changing)

And multiverses are just another probability argument. Prior to throwing a six sided die, 6 possible landing conditions exist. But once the die has landed, the 6 possibilities collapse to one certainty (thus one actual universe with initially six statistically theoretical possible outcomes). Even Hawking has finally come to realize this.

Time to reel in the theoretical physicists of this world and give them all a new injection of common sense. JMHO

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by ChrisPerridas

Per Dr Wu, I am reading through Dr Vallee's old books. Why is it so many individuals also have religious, paranormal, and high strangeness in their life before they receive contacts by "the others"? Anyone have any speculation?

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You can't go wrong reading his books....if nothing else they are very interesting and entertaining.

I don't have any speculations about that specific aspect you mentioned but it has been noted by many ufologists that those who have ufo experiences especially close encounters, etc are likely to experience paranormal phenomena later after the event and it can fo on for a long time. And many have had paranormal or other weird events happen to them days , weeks , even years before having a ufo experience.
This is one of the things Vallee explores in several of his books.

[Carol Nistri]

Originally Posted by dr wu23

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You can't go wrong reading his books....if nothing else they are very interesting and entertaining.

I don't have any speculations about that specific aspect you mentioned but it has been noted by many ufologists that those who have ufo experiences especially close encounters, etc are likely to experience paranormal phenomena later after the event and it can fo on for a long time. And many have had paranormal or other weird events happen to them days , weeks , even years before having a ufo experience.
This is one of the things Vallee explores in several of his books.

Oh then they that have had such experiences must be prone to that sort of thing,is that what were supposed to think?

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Carol Nistri

Oh then they that have had such experiences must be prone to that sort of thing,is that what were supposed to think?

Not sure if prone is the right word here...and it's more about those who have 'close encounters' than just a sighting in the sky of what they thought was a ufo.
In many 'ufo' cases Vallee investigated where 'high strangeness' was present along with a 'ufo/alien' sighting , the witness would often have stories about earlier sightings and experiences that seemed paranormal as well as ufo like and sometimes involved unusual creatures or beings. Sometimes it even involved the whole family. And incidents where the phone and tv would act funny : they would hear strange sounds on the phone and get bad reception and the tv and phone people were unable to find the cause. Sometimes they would hear noises around the house or knocking on the walls ,etc...or see strange creatures in the distance from the house. (Many of these cases were in rural areas)
And in other cases those involved would have subsequent paranormal events happen to them long after the ufo event. Case in point is Betty Hill who claimed she had 'paranormal' things happen around her house for weeks, months, and even a year after their 'abduction'.
I have no clear idea what it means but I have a hard time accepting the fact that advanced space aliens would bother do these things or cause them to happen in that manner..but I suppose it's possible.

[Darrell]

I just finished watching a UFO HUNTERS episode in which orbs were investigated. Per stories related via a long term orb investigator, some of these things are very malevolent. In addition to causing premonitions of their presence, headaches, feelings of unease and unexplainable behavior afterwards, they have reportedly baited dogs away from their human family and destroyed them (liquidfied) a short distance away out of view. They are apparently making frequent visitations in the ozarks, Indiana and Phoenix regions. Many of the people that have experienced them are very afraid.

Both ufologists and paranormal investigators are attempting to learn more about them. What they are and what threat they may be to we humans remains unknown; but they are perceived to be malevolent, brazen and deadly if closely encountered. I get the impression that orbs are something very different from what we consider to be UFOs.

[dr wu23]

Originally Posted by Darrell

I just finished watching a UFO HUNTERS episode in which orbs were investigated. Per stories related via a long term orb investigator, some of these things are very malevolent. In addition to causing premonitions of their presence, headaches, feelings of unease and unexplainable behavior afterwards, they have reportedly baited dogs away from their human family and destroyed them (liquidfied) a short distance away out of view. They are apparently making frequent visitations in the ozarks, Indiana and Phoenix regions. Many of the people that have experienced them are very afraid.

Both ufologists and paranormal investigators are attempting to learn more about them. What they are and what threat they may be to we humans remains unknown; but they are perceived to be malevolent, brazen and deadly if closely encountered. I get the impression that orbs are something very different from what we consider to be UFOs.

Where in Indiana..?
I have a friend who claims her property in the country, not far from where I live in Indiana, is 'haunted' with orbs and other ghosts but no one has been liquified yet.